Re: A proposal


This thread is off-topic for this list, as per <>. Please focus on proposing text for the spec.


On 20/11/2013, at 12:17 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <> wrote:

> In message <>
> , Mike Belshe writes:
>> As we're all aware, there are about 200 countries on this planet.  Many of
>> the governments of these countries are using packet siphoning as a key
>> information gathering technique.  It's easy today.  They do this for many
>> protocols beyond just HTTP.  But what do they do with this information?  We
>> know the answer to this too - they are out to kill their dissidents.
> You need better sources on foreign policy than you currently rely on.
> For one thing, Wikipedia only knows of 23 countries which currently
> have capital punishment is a legal outcome.
> I'm not aware of more than a handful of really uncivilized countries
> which can legally kill or even indefinite detain ("life without
> parole") people for political crimes.
>> So when we don't protect everything from generic siphoning, we are
>> facilitating murders and genocides.  Is this dramatic?  Yeah its dramatic.
>> But is it untrue?  No.
> Yes, very dramatic.
> And in fact untrue and unsubstantiated by any evidence I am aware of.
> People are in fact not widely persecuted for reading the news or
> watching movies or even porn.
> Where and when they are, they are almost invariably sentenced on
> either independent evidence, usually witnesses or police informers,
> or on traffic logs which merely show that packets flowed between their
> IP# and the servers IP# on the alleged time and date.
> That is not to say that The Global War On Privacy is not a Deep
> Shit Situation for us, but unsubstantiated wild-eyed paranoid
> pulling-scary-numbers-out-of-my-ass-alarmism is not the way to
> confront the problem..
> And for reasons already elaborated many times, your solution doesn't
> work either.
> -- 
> Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
> phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
> FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    
> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Mark Nottingham

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