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Re: MLS or TLS? There is more than one encryption option.

From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:27:16 +0000
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>
cc: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <50589.1384554436@critter.freebsd.dk>
In message <52869326.6060607@perens.com>, Bruce Perens writes:

>>>Now that we are going to be going for preventing pervasive surveillance,

>>I hate to be the one to bring this up, but that is not in any way
>>shape or form inside the WG charter

>This is no surprise.
>I am approaching the conclusion that it's impossible, anyway. Given
>that a government subverts even one CA with a certificate
>that is honored by the browser, a man-in-the-middle attack that
>would fool the naive user becomes trivial.

I reached that conclusion some time ago, and tried to explain it
for my ACM audience:


The Surveillance State is a political issue that must be solved by
political means.  As long as NSA, GCHQ and other similar have a
mandate, funds and political support for what they are doing, adding
more encryption simply only means that more encryption will be broken.

Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
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