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Re: Are international characters allowed in email addresses?

From: Eric Brunner-Williams <wampum@maine.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:39:32 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010628181413.04759480@pop-server>
To: ned.freed@mrochek.com, Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net>, Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>, discuss@apps.ietf.org
Ned,

Going back to Mr. Harrison's original question, could you offer him a
sensible answer that made a contrary assertion to the one I made, and
Keith took exception to, and explain that no header processing issues
are involved, only "domain" and "address" issues?

Since I have been participating in the IDN list most of this year, your
closing para(s) were for someone else's benefit, right? You did read
Keith's comment that the IDN requirements draft is irrelevant, so as
you both agree with Keith completely _and_ recommend people read
the requirements draft, your point is ... what?

This is heading towards interesting territory -- don't use apps, don't
use 822, don't use ... and don't complain about IDN.

Not what I expected.

Eric

At 6/28/01 02:00 PM, ned.freed@mrochek.com wrote:
> > > Do you have anything other than attitude to share concerning the
> > > requirements for header processing?
>
> > yes.  but there's lots of material about it, I'm tired of writing
> > such things over and over, mail experts will already be aware of
> > the issues (or if not, can figure it out with a moment's thought),
> > and you've been in the IDN discussion so you should also be familiar
> > with those issues.
>
> > so I'm not going to waste my time trying to re-familiarize you with
> > them.
>
>Keith, I could not agree more. Mail experts are already well aware of the
>issues and have discussed them over and over and over. Now is not the time to
>repeat all that.
>
>Additionally, internationalization of message headers started with RFC 
>1342/RFC
>1522/RFC 2047 and continues with internationalization of domains, and
>internationalization of domains is being done by the IDN WG. Any issues you
>have with the work that's underway need to be discussed on the IDN mailing
>list, not on the apps area list or the ietf-822 list.
>
>It is vital that people interested in the internationalization of message
>headers focus first on domains so we get the right solution in that space,
>since any more general solution has to take the work done for domains into
>account. And as I've said before, while I think some of the more radical IDN
>proposals aren't likely to be adopted, if they are they will change the
>character of the message header problem completely, so until it is clear which
>way the wind is blowing it is very foolish to start in on message headers.
>
>And if anyone is just getting started on this whole topic, you really need to
>read the IDN requirements draft and review the list traffic before jumping in
>with a topic that more likely than not has already been discussed past the
>point of exhaustion in that forum.
>
>                                 Ned
Received on Thursday, 28 June 2001 18:53:53 UTC

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