- From: <Tim_Ellison@uk.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:43:42 +0100
- To: ietf-dav-versioning@w3.org
> In Minneapolis, during the deltav design meeting > and working group session, we focused on looking > for opportunities to simplify the protocol. > > The full minutes of the DeltaV meeting at Minneapolis > should be available soon, I shall eagery await them. > but I wanted to start a thread on issues that directly > affect the protocol. In particular, our area director > (Ned) stated that there is only one group ahead of us > for review, which means that we need to get a new draft > prepared in a couple of weeks to keep our place in the > queue. Great. > The first proposed simplification came as a result of > the Area Director meeting the evening before. A good > part of that meeting was occupied with internationalization > issues, especially when internationalizable strings > appeared in difficult-to-internationalize contexts > (such as request URL's and headers). > > This immediately raised a red flag on the Label header, > which is proposing to place internationalizable strings > in exactly such a difficult-to-internationalize context > (i.e. a header). I don't see what the problem is here. We have declared the character encoding for the label header (UTF-8) to be inclusive of multiple character representations. We are not faced with national language issues, since clients will not be rendering the labels in different languages -- if it is labelled 'release 1.0' that will not be translated into the equivalent French, German, or whatever. So as I understand it we need only address the encoding scheme; and this has been done. Are you suggesting that that language should also be retained with the label? > The consensus of the room at the DeltaV working group > session was that we should remove the Label header, to > avoid this internationalization problems. I need to see the explaination of the problem. > Since the Label header is an optimization (i.e. you can > use PROPFIND to determine the information), this was > considered the appropriate response to the area directors > concern. Note, the proposal is not to remove the LABEL > method, just to remove the Label header. > > Any objections? I think this is unnecessary. Unless servers are required to retain the language information declared in the body of the LABEL it seems pointless. In addition, I agree with John that this is a significant optimization (even if there were a label report) that was added to the document early on, did not cause any objections, and we should strive to keep it in. > The second proposed simplification was to defer the > "Variant Option". This feature has received the least > attention, and it was the consensus of the room that > it would be better to defer this feature until it has > been reviewed by a wider group (since many people that > aren't interested in versioning are interested in variants). > Note: we started to use the term "feature" instead of > the term "option". > > Any objections? No. Good riddance. > The third proposed simplification was to defer the > "Update Option", with the intention of leaving it out > of the protocol unless its addition is more strongly > motivated than it is currently. In particular, if you > want to expose an older version of a VCR, you can just > check out that VCR, copy that older version into the > checked-out resource, and then check it back in. This > has the added advantage that this does not block future > work on a linear versioning server, the way an UPDATE > would (i.e. you can only check out the tip in a linear > versioning server). It also has the advantage that it > is more compatible with the baseline and activity > features, that want to define states as merges of > baselines and activities, rather than manipulations of > individual versions. > > Any objections? I strongly object to this one. If you have any respect for version history then using UPDATE to expose the older version of a vcr is *significantly* different to extending the tip with an equivalent version. Disallowing UPDATE will cause significant growth in the number of versions for those systems that routinely roll time back-and-forth for a set of resources. Greg's suggestion of using version url's is unsatisfactory since it does not allow for documents that contain links (based on vcr names). > The fourth proposed simplification was to fold the "branch > control" feature into "core". The idea here is that every > versioning server should expose whether or not it supports > branching on checkout or checkin, and that the additional > "branch-ok" option to CHECKOUT and CHECKIN is simple enough > to require of all servers. > > Any objections? That's fine. > The fifth (and final) proposed simplification was to define > a set of four feature "packages", and to state that a > versioning server SHOULD support at least one of those > packages. This then allows a versioning client to look for > one of the four defined feature packages, rather than > worrying about all possible combinations of features. Note: > a server still exposes its functionality as a set of features. > > The four packages proposed are: > > basic versioning: > core > checkout > > client workspace: > core > working resource > label How do you create a working resource if you don't have checkout? > configuration management: > core > checkout > version-history > workspace > merge > label > baseline > activity > version-controlled-collection > > client workspace configuration management: > core > version-history > working-resource > merge > label > baseline > activity > version-controlled-collection Ditto -- for checkout. > Any objections to these packages? Since they are only SHOULD's it would be difficult to object <g>. Are they useful ... ? > If you'd like to contribute to this thread, please do so ASAP, > so that we can meet the 2 week goal for a new internet draft. Done. Tim
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