- From: <Edgar@EdgarSchwarz.de>
- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:00:54 -0400
- To: ietf-dav-versioning@w3.org
- Cc: Edgar@EdgarSchwarz.de
"Clemm, Geoff" <gclemm@rational.com> wrote: > While investigating the new "auto-checkout-manual-checkin" value for > DAV:auto-version, it appeared to me that things could be made > significantly clearer if we replace the DAV:auto-version property with > a DAV:auto-checkout and DAV:auto-checkin property. This lets us > specify auto-checkout behavior independently from auto-checkin > behavior, which is what we need/want for "auto-checkout-manual-checkin". DAV:auto-checkout and DAV:auto-checkin sound sensible. So if this means that for a baseline-aware client the version-controlled-configuration normally is in a checked-in state and to help non baseline-aware clients the server can use these these properties it's okay with me. "Clemm, Geoff" <gclemm@rational.com> wrote: > The point here is that you logically have two objects located at the > same URL; namely, a collection and a configuration. Exactly. This unavoidable dualism is the root of our problems. > The version-controlled collection contains the "depth:0" (or "shallow") > state at that URL, while the version-controlled configuration contains > the "depth:infinity" (or "deep") state of the configuration rooted at > that same URL. > So "the state" of the version-controlled configuration is the > depth:infinity state of its associated baseline-controlled collection. So we decided to take the shallow variant as the collection version and took 'configuration' and 'baseline' for the deep variant. I still wonder wheter it would be possible to drop the terms 'configuration' and 'baseline'. Just let's define a version of a collection as the deep variant which you get by a plain vanilla VERSION-CONTROL on the collection. Then you have 'basic' resources (no collections) with their versions and collections (meaning the whole tree) and their versions. I would do that because I'm not yet persuaded whether we really need the (shallow) version-controlled-collection. It's rationale seems to be a little bit technically based. It is believed that it is necessary to untangle working with activities, merging and workspaces. So it's not a feature of it's own value but only for support of other features. I have the feeling that this activity problem could be solved in another way. To try to understand the problem I will reread the stuff on activities, merge, version-controlled-collection and workspaces (rather entangled :-) a couple of times. Perhaps it will help. Then an important point for me where I didn't get any feedback yet. I proposed to define a configuration (to use the current term) as the tree beginning at root collection EXCLUDING BASELINE-CONTROLLED sub-collections. This would be a very small change in the protocol and also be cheap in implementation I guess. But nevertheless thats a feature another SW group and I found missing when we evaluated Clearcase a while ago. Clearcase Components are shallow constructs like configurations (I hope it's allowed to mention a tool here to illustrate my point). My experience with projects beginning with a couple of thousand files and heavy reuse of code between different executables tells me that hierachically structured components (Here called configurations) are a natural way to work. All in all I can live with the existing terms. Better alternatives to cope with the abovementioned dualism aren't easy to find. What's important are the features I get and as I see it now they are there with the exception of my last point. Cheers and happy Easter, Edgar -- edgar@edgarschwarz.de http://www.edgarschwarz.de * DOSenfreie Zone. Running Native Oberon. * Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein
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