Delta-V Design Team Meetings

From: jamsden@us.ibm.com
Date: Wed, Feb 16 2000

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    From: jamsden@us.ibm.com
    To: chair@ietf.org, moore@cs.utk.edu, Patrik Fältström <paf@swip.net>, ietf-dav-versioning@w3.org
    Message-ID: <85256887.00675D94.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com>
    Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:47:27 -0500
    Subject: Delta-V Design Team Meetings
    
    
    
    I would like to take a moment to address a very unfortunate
    misunderstanding that resulted from a posting I made to the Delta-V mailing
    list concerning the design team meeting scheduled for this week, and the
    IETF meeting in Adelaide. On Feb 7, I sent the following note to
    ietf-dav-versioning@ietf.org:
    
    <<
    We have decided not to hold a DELTA-V meeting at Adelaide because of travel
    expense and the small number of people who could attend. Our next
    face-to-face meeting is being held in Redmond WA Feb 16 and 17. See below
    for details. Patrik, could you forward to Ned and send his email for future
    reference? Thanks.
    >>
    
    This note was sent out in a hurry, and I did not take the time read it with
    a sensitivity toward our International community and the impression that it
    might leave. Clearly the reference to the face-to-face design team meeting
    could be viewed as scheduling an alternative to meeting in Adelaide in
    order to minimize cost an inconvenience for US participants. Let me
    heartily apologize for my haste and insensitivity, and assure you that this
    was absolutely not the intent. The February design team meeting was
    actually scheduled at our December IETF meeting, notification was published
    in the meeting minutes, and a reminder went out on January 17 which was
    included at the bottom of the previous note. So I hope you see that we did
    not schedule a design team meeting as an alternative to a working group
    meeting at Adelaide . The reason for not holding a Delta-V WG meeting at
    Adelaide was simply because there didn't appear to be sufficient
    attendance.
    
    Let me attempt to clarify how the Delta-V working group intended to do its
    work. We wanted to split the work between the design team and the working
    group and alternate the meetings. Design team meetings would be held
    between working group meetings to provide working drafts and candidate
    resolutions of issues for consideration by the working group at large. All
    working group meetings would be held during IETF meetings to maximize
    participation by all members and leverage synergy with other working
    groups.  Design team meetings are open to any working group member. All we
    request is that participants come prepared for hard work. The meetings
    rotate among the participants' sites in order to share travel expenses and
    burden equally. We recently had some members join from the International
    community, and would be happy to have them host a meeting.
    
    The intent of the design team meetings is to keep the group small enough,
    and including members with sufficient background, interest, and time, to
    get into the details. In this context we hope to make significant progress
    on the specification, discover issues, and explore candidate solutions.
    Given the complexity of distributed, mutli-user, multi-version repository
    managers in a loosely connected network, and the broad community we have to
    support, it is absolutely necessary for us to have regular meetings at this
    level. The working group on the other hand consists of a larger number of
    members who participate at a higher level. We intended to use the working
    group meetings to review progress, resolve issues in a broader context,
    present alternatives, get valuable feedback necessary to improve the
    specification, raise any further issues, and achieve consensus on the
    specification. I believe this is completely consistent with RFC 2418.
    
    Unfortunately, this misunderstanding, and other violations of IETF policy
    concerning design team meetings has resulted in an IETF policy change that
    may have a significant adverse effect on working group activities.
    Restricting working group and design team meetings may actually decrease
    International participation as fewer meetings means limiting the ability of
    anyone to participate. There may be other ways to address this issue such
    as telling the working groups to be sensitive to international members and
    rotate their meetings among their participants. Section 3 of RFC 2418 could
    be updated with applicable guidelines to ensure international participation
    is addressed. This is more consistent with the spirit of RFC 2418 which is
    to limit the number of rules and encourage working group activities and
    participation. The risk of not getting work done at all in a volunteer
    organization scattered about the globe may be greater than the risk of a
    working group developing a specification in isolation or without
    international participation.
    
    Delta-V will experience significant loss in productivity if we are not able
    to have these regular design team meetings. We will not be able to stay on
    the charter schedule, working group participation will suffer, and we are
    likely to get significant pressure from vendors depending on delivery of
    the spec. In addition, these restrictions are somewhat in conflict with the
    policy and spirit of RFC 2418 by restricting the ability of a working group
    to manage its work given its subject area and the unique makeup of its
    members. This could have an adverse effect on working group moral and
    participation, and will result in reduced specification quality and delayed
    schedules.
    
    Thanks to Keith and Patrik for clarifying the issues and IETF policy, and
    for helping me discover the root of the misunderstanding. I hope we can
    find some way to continue having our design team meetings, which are so
    important to our success, while at the same time addressing the IETF
    concerns regarding International participation. I would be happy to help in
    any way I can to explore possibilities. After some reconsideration, I will
    be requesting a meeting slot for Delta-V at Adelaide so that we can
    continue our work. Thank you for your time, and again, I apologize to you,
    and especially to the Delta-V working group and design team, for any
    inconvenience this misunderstanding may have caused. I really think we're
    doing some great work, and look forward to seeing you all in Adelaide where
    we can pick up where we left off.