[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2023-11-30

https://www.w3.org/2023/11/30-i18n-minutes.html





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    [1]W3C

       [1] https://www.w3.org/

                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

30 November 2023

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20231130T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2023/11/30-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard

    Regrets
           -

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           atsushi

Contents

     1. [4]Agenda Review
     2. [5]Action Items
     3. [6]Info Share
     4. [7]RADAR Review
     5. [8]review localizable content PR
     6. [9]Working with Time and Timezones
     7. [10]Localizable Manifests
     8. [11]Needs Attention issues for WG review
     9. [12]AOB?
    10. [13]Using GH Discussions
    11. [14]Summary of action items
    12. [15]Summary of resolutions

Meeting minutes

    acribe+

   Agenda Review

   Action Items

    <gb> Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #58, #57, #56, #53,
    #47, #43, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #5, #4

    <addison> #58

    <gb> [16]Action 58 revise localizable-manifests in light of
    tpac conversation and new explainer (on aphillips) due
    2023-11-09

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58

    addison: agenda item for today, working on

    <addison> close #58

    <addison> #57\

    <gb> Closed [17]action #58

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58

    <gb> [18]Action 57 add localizable content definition to the
    glossary (on xfq) due 2023-11-09

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57

    xfq: raised a PR for this, PR is still open

    addison: let's review today

    <addison> close #57

    <gb> Closed [19]action #57

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57

    <addison> #56

    <gb> [20]Action 56 check on permissions with w3ctag and follow
    up with plh on looking for notifications (on xfq) due
    2023-11-02

      [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56

    <addison> close #56

    <gb> Closed [21]action #56

      [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56

    <addison> #53

    xfq: done for permission at w3ctag

    <gb> [22]Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want
    the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on
    frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01

      [22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53

    <addison> #47

    <gb> [23]Action 47 make the CSSWG aware of Warichu (on frivoal)
    due 2023-10-04

      [23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/47

    <addison> #43

    <gb> [24]Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis
    for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due
    2023-09-18

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43

    addison: 53 and 47 is CSS

    <addison> #35

    <gb> [25]Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai)
    due 2023-08-30

      [25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35

    addison: started on 43 but still working, pending

    <addison> #33

    <gb> [26]Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG
    for further review (on aphillips)

      [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33

    addison: 33, keep working on closing ones marked as close?
    … added as agenda item

    <addison> #18

    <gb> [27]Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about
    counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal,
    fantasai)

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18

    <addison> #16

    <gb> [28]Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for
    i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips)

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16

    <addison> #12

    <gb> [29]Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues
    raised by google (on aphillips)

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12

    <addison> #11

    <gb> [30]Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which
    are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal)

      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11

    addison: 12, working, finish up with cleaning things, keeping
    alive for a while

    <addison> #8

    <gb> [31]Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on
    aphillips)

      [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8

    <addison> #7

    <gb> [32]Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting
    comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin,
    r12a, bert-github)

      [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7

    <addison> #5

    <gb> [33]Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top
    of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on
    r12a)

      [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5

    <addison> #4

    <gb> [34]Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the
    character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a)

      [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4

   Info Share

    <addison> [35]https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-coga-minutes.html

      [35] https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-coga-minutes.html

    addison: had call yesterday with COGA colleages, minutes above
    … reasonable start with them

    r12a: got with them on interesting action items, seeking for
    another opportunity incl. finding experts for input to there

    <gb> Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe addision is
    not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions?

    ACTION: addison: follow up with julie rowe on next steps with
    coga such as a work plan

    <gb> Created [36]action #59

      [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/59

    <r12a> [37]https://w3c.social/@webi18n/111489082413507311

      [37] https://w3c.social/@webi18n/111489082413507311

    r12a: post on mastdon above, on supporting fonts

    [r12a described about images and backgrounds]

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [38]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

    addison: nothing here
    … some in awaiting comment resolution could be marked as
    completed...

   review localizable content PR

    <xfq> [39]w3c/i18n-glossary#57

      [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/57

    xfq: PR above

    xfq: added localizable content entry to glossary

    <xfq> [40]https://
    deploy-preview-57--i18n-glossary.netlify.app/#dfn-localizable-c
    ontent

      [40] 
https://deploy-preview-57--i18n-glossary.netlify.app/#dfn-localizable-content

    xfq: definition is adopted from localizable text
    … didnot merged two entries, since both are used for different
    envoirnment

    r12a: second 'contents' should be single form?

    addison: depending on what 'document' is

    addison: localizable text could be string content or text
    content

    xfq: will update text around document

   Working with Time and Timezones

    <addison> [41]https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone

      [41] https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone

    addison: have a WG note, long standing one on timezone

    <addison> [42]https://w3c.github.io/timezone/

      [42] https://w3c.github.io/timezone/

    addison: working for revision on this note

    addison: couple of things wanted to do, publish WG draft over
    WG note, for getting comments

    addison: super happy to get feedback on this document

    [silent for comment]

    r12a: is there any used styling in 2.4?

    addison: historical. just glossary one

    <r12a> [43]https://www.w3.org/International/articles/
    definitions-time/index.en.html

      [43] 
https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-time/index.en.html

    addison: we will want to go through this article

    r12a: don't want to change, but perform checking

   Localizable Manifests

    <addison> [44]https://
    deploy-preview-16--localizable-manifests.netlify.app/

      [44] https://deploy-preview-16--localizable-manifests.netlify.app/

    addison: deploy preview as above
    … some material should go to another document, but not yet

    addison: both miniapp and manifest are active, and we need to
    update /TR/ one
    … number of addition as 2.1
    … section 3 is new, indicating language and direction

    addison: some part could live in string-meta, but need to be in
    specific document alos

    xfq: some text are mentioned as in string-meta, but @@@@

    addison: merge this and publish to /TR/?

    <xfq> [45]https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/pull/
    16#discussion_r1395147047

      [45] 
https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/pull/16#discussion_r1395147047

    xfq: +1 to merge
    … added a PR for definitions

    addison: all in glossary one

   Needs Attention issues for WG review

    <addison> [46]i18n-activity#1763

      [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1763

    <gb> [47]Issue 1763 Make computation of directionality account
    for Shadow DOM. (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:html]
    [needs-attention] [i:bidi-text] [alreq] [hlreq] [t:bidi_markup]

      [47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1763

    addison: issues marked as close? but asking for review around

    addison: 1763, has middle sized thread with implementation
    issues

    r12a: to consult with fantasai?

    <addison> [48]i18n-activity#1361

      [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1361

    <gb> [49]Issue 1361 input-purpose `language` should reference
    BCP47 (by w3cbot) [close?] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution]
    [s:adapt] [t:lang_values]

      [49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1361

    addison: older issue related to CR or something
    … question is whether something needs to be performed?

    addison: associated to long thread in [50]whatwg/html#6519

      [50] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6519

    <gb> [51]Issue 6519 [not found]

      [51] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/6519

    <gb> [52]Issue 6519 [not found]

      [52] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/6519

    <gb> [53]Issue 6519 4.10.18.7 Autofill & the language value (by
    johnfoliot) [i18n-tracker]

      [53] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6519

    <addison> [54]i18n-activity#1006

      [54] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1006

    <gb> [55]Issue 1006 Informal spellings in specifications (by
    w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention]

      [55] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1006

    addison: 1006, CSS general purpose one in spellings
    … just to look into from translations point of view

    xfq: will take this
    … English usage in CSS specs

    RESOLUTION: We consider informal spellings to be typos to be
    fixed when found and avoided if possible

    addison: or maybe more general usage

    r12a: this is CSS resolution, but not of us
    … sounds good to me

    <addison> [56]i18n-activity#404

      [56] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/404

    <gb> [57]Issue 404 Should generalYear (etc.) be gregorianYear
    (etc.)? (by aphillips) [close?] [s:owl-time] [needs-attention]
    [needs-resolution] [t:loc_time]

      [57] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/404

    addison: 404 is old one, on naming
    … if they use general, many other calendars exist
    … it seems they did not consider my comment

    <addison> [58]sdw#888

      [58] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/888

    <gb> [59]CLOSED Issue 888 should generalYear (etc) be
    gregorianYear (etc)? (by aphillips) [i18n-needs-resolution]
    [time]

      [59] https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/888

    <r12a> +1 to close from me

    +1 to close, looking at spec text...

    xfq: from the last comment, it seems they support only
    gregorian, but not others

    addison: they tended to support others, but not included yet

    xfq: spec text says, not limited to number used for gregorian

    <xfq> +1 to close

    addison: moving on?

    <addison> [60]i18n-activity#370

      [60] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/370

    <gb> [61]Issue 370 Standardized way to add indications of text
    direction (by r12a) [close?] [s:shacl] [needs-attention]
    [needs-resolution] [t:lang_declaration]

      [61] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/370

    addison: this is about standalization of text direction in
    data-shapes
    … quite old as 2017

    <addison> close [62]i18n-activity#370

      [62] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/370

    <gb> Cannot close issue #370. Forbidden.

    r12a: I think we've discussed with them whether this is ok or
    not

    <addison> [63]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
    public-i18n-core/2023OctDec/0075.html

      [63] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2023OctDec/0075.html

    addison: item in above email, comment in next call

   AOB?

   Using GH Discussions

    r12a: kida-san is interested in Discussions feature
    … discussions in thread, could be interested for us also
    … can have comments, and comments to a comment
    … could be useful for jlreq-d discussions
    … one issue is notification, and xfq and I are talking with Dom
    for notification email

    <xfq> [64]https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions

      [64] https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions

    addison: in message format group, we are using issue and
    discussion, also
    … had some success in past, but tend not to use recently

    r12a: having some wiki pages, but cannot have comments there

    xfq: will talk with Dom

    ACTION: xfq: follow up with dom about github discussion
    notifications

    <gb> Created [65]action #60

      [65] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/60

    r12a: any info for upward arrow?

    xfq: there are also thumb-up button etc.

    <xfq> [66]https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions

      [66] https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions

    addison: will be shown as order with clicking 'top'

Summary of action items

     1. [67]addison: follow up with julie rowe on next steps with
        coga such as a work plan
     2. [68]xfq: follow up with dom about github discussion
        notifications

Summary of resolutions

     1. [69]We consider informal spellings to be typos to be fixed
        when found and avoided if possible

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