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RE: Sun and independent developers

From: Fuchs, Matthew <matthew.fuchs@commerceone.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:47:23 -0700
Message-ID: <C1E0143CD365A445A4417083BF6F42CC8946C3@C1plenaexm07.commerceone.com>
To: "'Dave Winer'" <dave@userland.com>, paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de, xml-rpc@yahoogroups.com, soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com, decentralization@yahoogroups.com, xml-dev@lists.xml.org, xml-dist-app@w3.org, Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>
Cc: "Tim O'Reilly" <tim@oreilly.com>
Dave,

Does XML-RPC predate John Tigue's WebBroker, an XML-based method invocation
system he'd developed which subsumed both CORBA and COM, at an XML
conference (an early XML developer's day perhaps) that he presented in
Seattle in March, 1998?  John had already given at least one other talk on
using XML for distributed computing in '97.  I remember being there, and I
remember the local Microsofties in a tizzy trying to understand what he'd
done.  I thought it was brilliant - and I have enough ego to be hard to
impress.  A quick look at the Cover Pages shows that WebMethods also claimed
to have an XML-RPC mechanism in March '98, whereas the earliest reference I
find to Userland's XML-RPC is from July (although the text seems to indicate
that there was something earlier).

Matthew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:37 PM
> To: paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de; xml-rpc@yahoogroups.com;
> soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com; decentralization@yahoogroups.com;
> xml-dev@lists.xml.org; xml-dist-app@w3.org; Elliotte Rusty Harold
> Cc: Tim O'Reilly
> Subject: Re: Sun and independent developers
> 
> 
> Elliotte -- when XML-RPC came out there was nothing like it, 
> and no concept
> that anything would follow it that did the same thing. It's a 
> mark of its
> success that now everyone thinks it was so obvious.
> 
> Further, there's nothing that says that Sun *has* to dilute 
> the name-- they
> could choose to respect it -- or even support the developers 
> that have built
> on it. Java is a fully supported XML-RPC environment.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elliotte Rusty Harold" <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>
> To: <paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de>; <xml-rpc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com>; <decentralization@yahoogroups.com>;
> <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>; <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
> Cc: "Tim O'Reilly" <tim@oreilly.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:31 PM
> Subject: RE: Sun and independent developers
> 
> 
> > At 9:09 PM +0200 9/7/01, Paulo Gaspar wrote:
> >
> > >Elliotte,
> > >
> > >
> > >What you are saying also applies to XML, HTML and other 
> "languages".
> > >
> > >
> > >I mean, what can be more generic than XML (eXtensible 
> Markup Language)?
> > >Or more generic than HTML (HyperText Markup Language)?
> > >
> >
> > I don't think so. The analogous case would be if either of 
> these were
> called simply "Markup Language" or perhaps "ML". Both HTML 
> and XML were
> invented after long experience with many different markup 
> languages so no
> one presumed that they would be the only one or the last one. 
> XML Schemas
> and XML-RPC, by contrast, were out the gate relatively early. 
> It's not clear
> that their inventors gave serious thought to the idea that 
> they might not be
> the only such language. If they had, then they might have picked less
> generic names.
> > --
> >
> > 
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> > 
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