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Re: Issue 30: Action item 2001/06/20

From: christopher ferris <chris.ferris@east.sun.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:41:48 -0400
Message-ID: <3B7C684C.242905F3@east.sun.com>
To: "W3C XML Protocol IG (E-mail)" <xml-dist-app@w3.org>

I think that would be a mistake to defer this issue to post 1.2.

Cheers,

Chris

Paul Cotton wrote:
> 
> >I think that Chris and I are proposing that SOAP should define
> behaviour
> for xml:base, rather than leave it undefined.
> 
> As I have already said, I agree with this.  I simply want to do it after
> we finish SOAP 1.2.
> 
> >A version of SOAP that normatively refers to Infoset then inherits the
> normative reference to XML Base.
> 
> This is only true if we refer to the part of the Infoset spec that
> defines how the Infoset represents XML Base.  Remember there is nothing
> normative itself about the Infoset specification.  It is only a set of
> terms and definitions that other specs can choose to use or not use.
> 
> /paulc
> 
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> <mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com>
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Orchard [mailto:orchard@pacificspirit.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:41 PM
> > To: Paul Cotton; christopher ferris
> > Cc: W3C XML Protocol IG (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: Issue 30: Action item 2001/06/20
> >
> >
> > I concur with this position.  XML Base ought not to, nor did it,
> > retroactively change every other XML specification.  That's
> > not my point
> > though.
> >
> > Infoset does make a normative reference to XML Base, so
> > Infoset behavior
> > relative XML Base behaviour is defined.
> >
> > A version of SOAP that normatively refers to Infoset then
> > inherits the
> > normative reference to XML Base.  This may be a reason to not
> > do a SOAP
> > infoset version, but that's a different issue.  It means that
> > SOAP Infoset
> > does have defined behaviour for xml:base, yet SOAP 1.2
> > non-infoset doesn't
> > have behaviour defined.  Which seems extremely bizarre to me.
> >
> > I think that Chris and I are proposing that SOAP should
> > define behaviour
> > for xml:base, rather than leave it undefined.  This solves
> > any ambiguity
> > between infoset/non-infoset versions of SOAP, as well as
> > being seemingly
> > sensible for the non-infoset version of SOAP.  I'm very curious as to
> > reasons not to define behaviour for xml:base in SOAP
> > messages.  Wouldn't
> > defining this preclude some interoperability problems, which
> > seems like a
> > good thing?
> >
> > As an aside, it seems to me that this dependency of
> > specifications is yet
> > another justification for the TAG.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> > On Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:59 AM, Paul Cotton
> > [SMTP:pcotton@microsoft.com] wrote:
> > > When the XML Base specification was completed, it was clearly stated
> > > that it did NOT create a normative affect on other
> > specifications.  But
> > > in affect that other specifications had to state explicitly
> > that they
> > > supported XML Base.  Note the following text from [1]:
> > >
> > > "The behavior of xml:base attributes in applications based on
> > > specifications that do not have direct or indirect
> > normative reference
> > > to XML Base is undefined."
> > >
> > > /paulc
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/
> > >
> > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> > > <mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: christopher ferris [mailto:chris.ferris@east.sun.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:10 PM
> > > > To: Paul Cotton
> > > > Cc: W3C XML Protocol IG (E-mail)
> > > > Subject: Re: Issue 30: Action item 2001/06/20
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If SOAP is expressed as an XML syntax, then how can it
> > > > be ignored? Are we saying that XMLBase cannot be used in
> > > > the context of a SOAP message?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > Paul Cotton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We only have to deal with XML Base if we think SOAP 1.2
> > > > should support
> > > > > it.  Personally, I do not think this is mandatory for SOAP 1.2
> > > > > especially since SOAP 1.1 did fine without refering to XML Base.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggest you open a new issue about XML Base support if
> > > > you think its
> > > > > support is mandatory.  It is really orthogonal to Issue 30.
> > > > >
> > > > > /paulc
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > > > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > > > > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> > > > > <mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: christopher ferris [mailto:chris.ferris@east.sun.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:28 PM
> > > > > > To: Paul Cotton
> > > > > > Cc: W3C XML Protocol IG (E-mail)
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Issue 30: Action item 2001/06/20
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just a nit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The href attribute should be of type "anyURI" as defined in
> > > > > > XML schema datatypes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that we need to address any implications
> > > > of XML Base
> > > > > > on the value of the href attribute if it isn't expressed as an
> > > > > > absolute URI.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Cotton wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Action item 2001/06/20 asked me to clarify Issue 30
> > > > [1].  This issue
> > > > > > > originated in my email [2] that outlined how SOAP 1.1
> > > > meet the XML
> > > > > > > Protocol R4xxx Requirements:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "R403
> > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > Requirement: Data serialized according to the XML
> > Protocol data
> > > > > > > representation may contain references to data outside the
> > > > > > serialization.
> > > > > > > These references must be Uniform
> > > > > > > Resource Identifiers (URIs).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comment: The SOAP/1.1 encoding uses the "id" and "href"
> > > > > > attributes to
> > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > and refer to resources or sub-parts of resources. The
> > > > > > format of the href
> > > > > > > attribute is of type "uri-reference" as defined by XML
> > > > > > schema. The "id"
> > > > > > > attribute is of type "ID" as defined by XML/1.0.
> > There are no
> > > > > > > restrictions
> > > > > > > on the value of a URI used as value in a href attribute.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Judgement: SOAP/1.1 covers this requirement
> > although it is not
> > > > > > > explicitly
> > > > > > > stated that URIs can in fact point to anything."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Issue 30 Clarification:
> > > > > > > In my opinion, the only point that we want to clarify (and
> > > > > > it is only a
> > > > > > > clarification) is that a consequence of using URIs is
> > > > that they can
> > > > > > > point to anything and not only within the same document (of
> > > > > > the style
> > > > > > > #foo). Some implementers may be surprised that the
> > > > value of the href
> > > > > > > attribute could be something like
> > > > > > "http://www.foo.com/some.doc" if we do
> > > > > > > not point this out in a clarification. In addition we
> > > > might want to
> > > > > > > indicate that they can point to an attachment to the SOAP
> > > > > > message [3].
> > > > > > > In both of the latter cases we want to be sure to indicate
> > > > > > that these
> > > > > > > URI's point outside of the current SOAP message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xmlp-issues#x30
> > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Feb/0045.html
> > > > > > > [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/SOAP-attachments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > > > > > > 17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > > > > > > Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> > > > > > > <mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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