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Re: White paper: Bootstrapping the Two-Way-Web

From: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:43 -0800
Message-ID: <0b5a01c05325$0a955cb0$33a1dc40@murphy2>
To: "Lisa Dusseault" <lisa@xythos.com>, <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Lisa, there are going to be lots of ways of getting content from writing tools into content management systems. 

There are also reasons why WebDAV hasn't taken off in this area. Limits imposed by varying quality of implementation issues by some tool vendors. 

In this piece I also said: "Instead of bemoaning the tendency of programmers to 'improve' on other programmer's protocols, let's embrace it. If you don't like our SOAP/XML-RPC interface for Manila, write your own, to suit your own tastes. Then let's evangelize your interface alongside ours, and we'll make every effort to support it as well as our own. The important thing is to present a simple and intuitive way of editing text for users. How the connection is made isn't very relevant to users. So if you want to innovate, go for it."

That's the way it goes. I argued that the W3C didn't need to do XP because SOAP was already there. I argued that we didn't need SOAP because XML-RPC was already there. And I can go back a lot further if you want, and I bet we'd predate WebDAV too. But it's hardly worth arguing about. We already have 15,000 sites that support these protocols and it's growing quickly. So if you want to give the users something exciting, it's not that hard to support YET ANOTHER protocol.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lisa Dusseault 
  To: Dave Winer ; xml-dist-app@w3.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:48 AM
  Subject: RE: White paper: Bootstrapping the Two-Way-Web

  There's already an IETF standard for authoring documents using HTTP and XML.  It's called WebDAV.  It's already supported by many editing tools, document repositories, and web servers.

  Disclaimer: The company I work for makes a WebDAV-compliant repository. This doesn't change the fact that it's the IETF standard.


  Lisa Dusseault

    -----Original Message-----
    From: xml-dist-app-request@w3.org [mailto:xml-dist-app-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Dave Winer
    Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:49 AM
    To: xml-dist-app@w3.org
    Subject: White paper: Bootstrapping the Two-Way-Web

    "The net result is that I can edit Web documents in my favorite editing tool because I have wired it up to the Web through SOAP and XML-RPC. When I save the document in the normal way, it automatically pushes it through templates and macros, it's linked into a calendar and is immediately indexed by a search engine. The Web is starting to become the ideal networked writing environment."



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