- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:31:30 -0700
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Minutes, Web Services Description Working Group
2 September 2004 telcon
Attendence:
Erik Ackerman Lexmark
David Booth W3C
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Ugo Corda SeeBeyond
Glen Daniels Sonic Software
Paul Downey British Telecommunications
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Jacek Kopecky DERI
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
David Orchard BEA Systems
Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab
Arthur Ryman IBM
Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
Regrets:
Youenn Fablet Canon
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard
Asir Vedamuthu webMethods
Umit Yalcinalp Oracle
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is one of:
Umit Yalcinalp, Dale Moberg, Jerry Thrasher, Bijan Parsia,
Roberto Chinnici, Amy Lewis, Youenn Fablet,
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Arthur Ryman, Kevin Liu
Scribe: Dale
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2. Approval of minutes:
- July 29 [.1] (corrected)
- Aug 2-4 FTF minutes [.2, .3, .4] and summary (corrected) [.5]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0058.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0054.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0055.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0056.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Sep/0001.html
Minutes accepted
August f2f minutes accepted as corrected
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
PENDING 2004-04-01: Marsh will get schema tf going.
DONE 2004-05-19: Editors to include in the primer an example
that uses MTOM. (Issue 72)
DONE 2004-08-02: Jonathan to followup on AB decisions with
regards to test materials handling
PENDING 2004-08-02: Anish to write up some examples and add
them to the spec
PENDING 2004-08-02: Editors to make a change to section of 2.2
of the media type doc to reflect that
the meaning (not just the value space)
of the expected media type is the same
as the accept header.
DONE [.3] 2004-08-02: Glen to inquire to XMLP about the rationale
for closing 489.
PENDING 2004-08-02: Marsh to update Req doc to deprecate
intermediaries requirement.
PENDING 2004-08-03: Glen to send a message about the mediaType
annotation (attribute/appInfo) to
soapbuilders.
PENDING 2004-08-04: Jonathan to check the policy with AB
and team and perhaps set
up a ML for testing.
PENDING 2004-08-04: Arthur and Jonathan to produce a mockup
of Z in the spec for next FTF.
Arthur: W3C namespace with dereferencable URL for Arthur Z work?
ACTION: David Booth will check on w3c namespace policy for a stable
URL without cvs string
[pauld: a RDDL document?]
Arthur: Display issues: fonts vs mathml vs images for special
characters
Arthur: will have demo at f2f!
DONE [.2] 2004-08-04: Hugo to set up Sep f2f registration page.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Aug/0010.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0031.html
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4. Administrivia
a. - September 14-16 (Toronto) registration [.1], logistics [.2]
Registration closed 8/27 - only 10 registrants!?
- November 9-11 (Sunnyvale, CA) registration [.3], logistics [.4]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0409/
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-09-f2f.htm
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/
[.4] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-11-f2f.htm
F2F-- Arthur needs number for food, Sep 7 as final date.
DBooth: Registration deadline is now Sept 7.
November 9-11 (Sunnyvale) see
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34041/WSD0411/
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5. New (non-LC) Issues. Issues list [.1].
- none
[.1]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.h
tml
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6. Last Call Issues [.1]. Comments list [.2]
- (Issue LC1: Property requiredness)
- Issue LC2: Define Part 3 component model types using wsdls:* types
(Asir, Part 3) [.3]
- Issue LC3: {namespace name} property (Bijan, Part 1) [.4]
- Issue LC4: Table of components/properties (Bijan, Part 1) [.5]
- Issue LC5: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Editorial comments [.6]
- Issue LC6: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Technical comments [.7]
- Issue LC7: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, intro and conformance
issues [.8]
- Issue LC8: Permit URI References instead of URIs (DBooth, Part 1)
[.9]
- Note: webMethod LC issues to be processed [.10]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0006.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0011.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0013.html
[.6]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0000
.html
[.7]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0001
.html
[.8]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0002
.html
[.9]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0021
.html
[.10]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/
New issues list described.
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7. Media Type Description [.1] Last Call status
- Issue 198 resolution? (MarkN) [.2, .3]
- To do:
- complete all edits (note that AIs above are insufficient).
- notify XMLP WG
- prepare for Last Call
[.1]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/media-types/xml-media-t
ypes.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0008.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0014.html
Umit nothing on agenda 7.
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8. Issue LC2: Define Part 3 component model types using wsdls:* types
[.1]
- Asir's proposal [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC2
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0006.html
Asir's proposal (LC2) for using types in part 3.
RESOLUTION: Resolve LC2 by accepting Asir's proposal.
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9. Issue LC3: {namespace name} property [.1]
- Initial mail [.2]
- Arthur's proposal [.3]
- Umit's response [.4]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC3
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0011.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0016.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0021.html
TOPIC: LC3 proposal remove the targetNamespace property and change the
name property to be a QName instead of an NCName for components:
Intertace
InterfaceFault
InterfaceOperation
Binding
Service
Roberto: Says our 2 parts conforms with schemas approach.
When referring, the two parts go together in the qname.
Arthur: Properties are not always just simple things-- can be sets
[GlenD: wouldn't it be nice if we just said interfaces were namespaces
and operations/faults were ncnames, allowing each to be
referenced uniquely by a single QName?]
Arthur: says we do not align stylistically with schema but is perhaps
closer to infoset
[GlenD: I seem to recall there was a good reason for not doing that,
but I don't for the life of me remember it....]
Arthur: notes discrepancy was in InterfaceFault/InterfaceOperation.
Roberto: says that was corrected in LC
Issues: consistency with schema, roll up parts into qname...
Section 2.18 uses targetNamespace.
Arthur: Additional evidence for consistent convention.
[Arthur: actually 2.18 uses namespaceName but that doesn't match the
spec] [Marsh: Option 1: Fold {targetNamespace} into {name}, which
becomes
an wsdls:QName.
Oprion 2: Fix 2.18 to refer to {targetNamespace} and anywhere
else we find {namespace name}
Results: Option 1: 6, Option 2: 4]
RESOLUTION: Resolve LC3 by adopting Arthur's proposal.
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10. Issue LC4: Table of components/properties [.1]
- Initial mail [.2]
- Example [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC4
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Aug/0013.html
[.3] http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appA
LC4 -- generate from xslt?]
Support voiced for adding table of components/properties
Additional testimonials for automatic generation of table
RESOLUTION: LC4 resolved in favor of automatic table
[dbooth: Scribe: Arthur]
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11. Issue LC5: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, Editorial comments [.1]
- Initial mail [.2]
- DBooth friendly amendment [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC5
[.2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0000
.html
[.3]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2004Aug/0017
.html
LC5 is split into several issues, lettered a, b, ..
Issue a: Document Conformance
They are asking for clarification.
DavidB: Suggests a rewrite of XML 1.0 versus XML 1.1 issue.
Jonathan: EII conformance is well-defined since we are defined
using the Infoset. We also state that the document must
validate wrt the schema.
Jonathan: Propose: "Since this spec is defined in terms of the infoset,
it is not a requirement to support any particular
serialization
of the infoset." A conformant processor could support binary
XML, or XML 1.0, or XML 1.1 or any combination of these or
others.
[Marsh: "For instance, a conformant processor might only support XML
1.0."]
Proposal is to rewrite section 8.1 as above.
RESOLUTION: Rewrite section 8.1 as above. Jonathan will run the rewrite
by the originator of LC5.
[pauld: notes that our charter only says "The Working Group will
define
a description language expressed in XML." and doesn't specify
1.0 or 1.1 ..]
Issue LC5b:
Proposal: Remove discussion of validity from table in 1.2 and add .xsd
extension to all links to schemas.
RESOLUTION: Accept proposal to remove discussion of validity from table
in
1.2 and add .xsd extension to all links to schemas.]
Issue LC5c:
Proposal: We will state in a Test Assertion document what constraints
are
not covered by XSD.
RESOLUTION: We will provide this info in a TAD.
Meeting ends.
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