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Re: PROPOSAL: Drop interface/operation/(input|output)/@headers

From: Umit Yalcinalp <umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:56:21 -0700
Message-ID: <3F99AE15.4000709@oracle.com>
To: Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org


Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:

>"Umit Yalcinalp" <umit.yalcinalp@oracle.com> writes:
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>>I have one "naive" question about your proposal.
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>>I can envision two different use cases for headers, application specific 
>>and middleware introduced. For the latter, one can envision using 
>>properties and features (as has been discussed in this thread) and/or 
>>specific specs that deal with a specific feature (which is the case 
>>today with WS-* specs).
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>>However, I am not clear on what options we are leaving to applications 
>>that would like to define headers. Can you clarify this if we were to 
>>remove headers?
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>In our internal discussions, we've concluded that even when 
>applications do introduce headers, that is done as a result of
>some policy being applied. Thus, just having a mechanism to 
>declare a header isn't enough - one has to say what the 
>lifecycle of that header is, what scope it has (not share
>across operations, shared across some ops, shared across all
>ops etc.). 
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>In other words, the mechanism in the current draft is woefully
>inadequate to describe headers. Extending the functionality is
>an option, but I don't think that's a path the WG will like to
>go on because it'll dramatically complicate WSDL for everyone.
>[Tom, where are you? ;-)]
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I am not sure that inadequate definition should stop us from eliminating 
the capability of defining headers altogether. It seems to me that the 
cure is worse than the disease.

As I also replied to Tom, I have the same concerns he has. I am with 
Roberto in my current thinking. I would like us NOT to drop headers 
until I grasp properties/features a bit better.

>Hence our proposal that headers be dropped and left in the
>domain of policies to introduce and describe the semantics / 
>lifecycle of.
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>My apologies for the delay in replying.
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No problem, i figured that since you were awfully quiet for all anyway, 
it was not specific to my question :-)

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>Sanjiva.
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Umit Yalcinalp                                  
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Received on Friday, 24 October 2003 19:04:35 GMT

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