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Re: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon

From: Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:27:41 +0600
Message-ID: <076301c34c88$bc1b39f0$02c8a8c0@lankabook2>
To: "Jeffrey Schlimmer" <jeffsch@windows.microsoft.com>, "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>, "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Cc: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>, <www-ws-desc-request@w3.org>

Yes, sorry Chris .. JM's point was valid and we haven't made enough
progress on the "private TF". I will forward the proposal I sent
to that list to this public list as hopefully that'll help increase
the momentum on accepting/rejecting/modifying those ideas.

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Schlimmer" <jeffsch@windows.microsoft.com>
To: "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>; "Jonathan Marsh"
<jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Cc: "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>; <www-ws-desc@w3.org>;
<www-ws-desc-request@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon


>
> An informal task force has been trying to come to a consensus on an
> approach re: programming model hints. I do not believe anything has been
> posted to the list yet.
>
> --Jeff
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Christopher B Ferris
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:52 AM
> > To: Jonathan Marsh
> > Cc: Sanjiva Weerawarana; www-ws-desc@w3.org;
> www-ws-desc-request@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon
> >
> >
> > I don't understand, Sanjiva has made a proposal on the list. To date,
> I
> > have seen
> > no mention of "programmng hints" in any of the (admittedly limited)
> > discussion
> > around his proposal.
> >
> > What is is that you mean by this?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Christopher Ferris
> > STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> > email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> > phone: +1 508 234 3624
> >
> > www-ws-desc-request@w3.org wrote on 07/17/2003 10:56:04 AM:
> >
> > >
> > > Removing message will remain in flux until we see a proposal for
> adding
> > > "programming hints".
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:02 AM
> > > > To: Jonathan Marsh; www-ws-desc@w3.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jonathan,
> > > >
> > > > Is there any chance of moving the <message> discussion much
> > > > higher on the agenda today?
> > > >
> > > > I think it fell off the agenda last week (I had to drop off
> > > > early) and since the single interface thing is before that
> > > > I fear that we may never get to it. Same concern for the
> > > > binding changes .. we seem to be stuck on one little (IMO)
> > > > point and unable to make progress on other things. To me,
> > > > without committing to what we're doing or not doing to
> > > > <message> all the binding stuff is in total flux.
> > > >
> > > > Sanjiva.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
> > > > To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:13 AM
> > > > Subject: Agenda, 17 July 2003 WS Desc telcon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 0.  Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
> > > > >
> > > > > See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents
> and
> > > other
> > > > > information, and the private page [.3] for administrative
> matters.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG
> > > list
> > > > > before the start of the telcon.
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Jul/0023.html
> > > > > [.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
> > > > > [.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Agenda
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.  Assign scribe.  Lucky minute taker for this week is:
> > > > >       Don Mullen (fallbacks: Adi Sakala, Sandeep Kumar,
> > > > >       Prasad Yendluri, Dietmar Gaertner, Jerry Thrasher,
> > > > >       Allen Brooks, Glen Daniels)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 2.  Approval of minutes:
> > > > >   - July 10 telcon [.1].  Alan Davies sent belated regrets.
> > > Jonathan
> > > > >     asked for two AIs to be recorded [.2].
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0052.html
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0054.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 3.  Review of Action items [.1].
> > > > > ?         2003-03-13: Don will write a proposal for annotating
> > > schema
> > > > >                       with part information.
> > > > > ?         2003-03-27: Philippe write up a proposal for embedding
> > > binary
> > > > >                       data types in schema
> > > > > ?         2003-05-13: DaveO to send a motivating example for
> R131.
> > > > > ?         2003-05-13: Jeffsch, Sanjiva, Glen, Umit, JJM to come
> up
> > > with
> > > > >                       a proposal to get rid with the message
> > > construct,
> > > > >                       and add programming hints.
> > > > > ?         2003-06-12: Jacek to synthesize the different
> approaches
> > > > >                       to solving issue 64.
> > > > > DONE [.2] 2003-07-03: Arthur to figure out which validation mode
> our
> > > > >                       schema should specify on xs:any.
> > > > > ?         2003-07-10: DBooth to reconcile his terminology with
> that
> > > > >                       in the requirements doc.
> > > > > DONE [.3] 2003-07-10: Jonathan to send a summary of the
> > > @serviceGroup
> > > > >                       idea to the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0068.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0055.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 4.  Administrivia
> > > > >   a. July FTF logistics [.1], registration [.2]
> > > > >   b. Sept FTF logistics [.3] (need registration page)
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fJulyLogistics.htm
> > > > > [.2]
> > > > >
> > >
> http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=WSAWG_WSDWG_20
> > > > > 0307
> > > > > [.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/3/07/f2fSeptLogistics.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 5.  Task Force Status.
> > > > >  a. Properties and Features (dormant)
> > > > >  b. Patterns
> > > > >  c. Attributes
> > > > >  d. QA & Testing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 6.  New Issues.  Merged issues list [.1].
> > > > >   - none
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > > >
> > >
> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 7.  Open content model - validate "strict" [.1].
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0068.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 8.  Polishing off single service per interface
> > > > >     Terminology [.1]  Diagram [.2, .3]
> > > > >     Alternatives: @targetResource
> > > > >                   @serviceGroup [.5]
> > > > >
> > > > >   - Naming the service resource [.4]
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0018.html
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0064.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0019.html
> > > > > [.4]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0008.html
> > > > > [.5]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0055.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 9.  Binding enhancements
> > > > >     Sanjiva proposes [.1] to:
> > > > >       1) Drop @interface from binding, since now in service.
> > > > >       2) Allow inlining interface-wide binding within a port and
> > > > >          making binding optional.
> > > > >       3) Define default binding (SOAP doc/lit).
> > > > >       4) Dealing with operation specific SOAPActions.
> > > > >     Kevin proposes to [.2]:
> > > > >       1) Allow reuse of parts of bindings through a
> BindingDetails
> > > > >          element and corresponding references.
> > > > >     Consolidated proposal [.3]
> > > > >     Amy's feedback [.4]
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0046.html
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0068.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0017.html
> > > > > [.4]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0051.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 10. Removing message.
> > > > >     Investigating idea to cleanly separate interop at the
> message
> > > > >     format level from interop at the programming model level.
> > > Proposal
> > > > >     from Sanjiva [.1]
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0025.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 11. R085 Describing endpoint references.  [.1]
> > > > >   - General agreement to add such capability to WSDL, but
> > > > >     not agreement on the precise form of the annotations and
> > > > >     where in the WSDL they should reside. Proposal
> > > > >     from Umit [.3], response from Arthur [.4].
> > > > >   - Related issue (?) dynamic discovery of a service [.2].
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > > >
> > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Apr/att-0088/R085-20
> > > > > 03-04-22.html
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0004.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > > >
> > >
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/att-0024/umit_pr
> > > > > oposal.html__charset_ISO-8859-1
> > > > > [.4]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0142.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 12. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3,
> .4]
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x64
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
> > > > > [.4]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 13. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2
> [.1].
> > > > >   - Arthur's proposal to unify property URIs and QName URIs.
> [.2]
> > > > >     Alternatives include using property markup, or a QNamed
> > > > >     attribute.
> > > > >   - Proposal for advertising QoS features of a Web service in
> WSDL
> > > [.3].
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x2
> > > > > [.2]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0047.html
> > > > > [.3]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0020.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 14. Moving MIME Type Information to the Interface [.1]
> > > > >     Awaiting proposal from Philippe.
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Mar/0028.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > 15. Using RDF in WSDL [.1].
> > > > >     Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.
> > > > >
> > > > > [.1]
> > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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