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Web Services Description Working Group
2002-09-05 conference call minutes.
Attendance
Present:
David Booth W3C
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Youenn Fablet Canon
Dietmar Gaertner Software AG
Martin Gudgin Microsoft
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Philippe Le Hégaret W3C
Steve Lind AT&T
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
Michael Mahan Nokia
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle
Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
Arthur Ryman IBM
Waqar Sadiq Electronic Data Systems
Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft
Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates
Jerry Thrasher Lexmark
William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard
Don Wright Lexmark
Joyce Yang Oracle
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
Barbara Zengler DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
Regrets:
Michael Champion Software AG
Glen Daniels Macromedia
Laurent De Teneuille L'Echangeur
Tim Finin University of Maryland
Steve Graham Global Grid Forum
Jacek Kopecky Systinet
Dan Kulp IONA
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
Michael Mealling Verisign
Don Mullen Tibco
Pallavi Malu Intel
Johan Pauhlsson L'Echangeur
Stefano Pogliani Sun
Jochen Ruetschlin DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
Adi Sakala IONA Technologies
Daniel Schutzer Citigroup
Dave Solo Citigroup
Steve Tuecke Global Grid Forum
Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM
Absent:
Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems
Mike Davoren W. W. Grainger
Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems
Mike McHugh W. W. Grainger
William Stumbo Xerox
Sandra Swearingen U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force
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Agenda:
1. Assign scribe.
2. Approval of minutes
3. Review of Action items.
4. SOAP 1.2 Last Call
5. FTF Agenda
6. New Issues
7. SOAP TF Status
8. Proposal: Hoisting SOAP binding attributes.
9. Issue 51: Asymmetry between soap:body and soap:header
10. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model
11. Issue 5: EncodingStyle
Issue 30: soap:body encodingStyle
12. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding>
13. HTTP Binding Issues (6a, 41)
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Agenda Items:
2. Approval of Minutes: (Done)
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3. Review of Action items.
2002-07-21: GlenD and JJM to write up proposal for handling
MEPs with regard to Soap.
Discussion:
Proposal from GlenD sent to list.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0004.html
Resolution: (Done)
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-21: GLEN & Sanjiva to write up the comment about MEPs
& features to XMLP group
Discussion: Time for input to XMLP Group has expired.
Resolution: (Retired)
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-21: GlenD to send DavidB details on hosting November
F2F
Discussion:
Still waiting for details. Tom Jordahl agreed to assume action and
send out details.
Resolution: Pending, Re-assigned to Tom.
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-21: JM to decide potential November F2F overlap on Wed
Nov 13 with Architecture Group.
Discussion: JM will address if/when necessary.
Resolution: Retired
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-21: Jeffrey & Gudge to flesh out a proposal for
omitting operation from soap binding.
Discussion:
Resolution: PENDING, To be addressed at F2F.
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-21: Don Mullen to write up an issue on transport
attribute.
Discussion: Group was unclear as to nature of the issue, wait till DonM
returns.
Resolution: PENDING
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-25: Glen write up an issue on transport URIs compliance
with SOAP.
Discussion: Issue recorded at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0132.html
Resolution: (Done)
New Action Item: (None)
2002-07-25: Sanjiva and Gudge to work on combining the AM
Discussion: None
Resolution: (Done)
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl12/wsdl12.am.xml
New Action Item: (None)
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0132.html
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4. SOAP 1.2 Last Call [9, 10, 11] call for review [12]. Awaiting text
from Glen and/or Sanjiva. I think we missed the boat on this one.
[9] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part0/
[10] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part1/
[11] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part2/
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0001.html
Discussion: No formal response prepared for feedback from the
group.
Resolution: Cancel
New Action Item: (None)
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5. FTF Agenda
Review, rearrange and augment first draft of the agenda [13]. Note that
the facilities don't accommodate overlapping groups, and we will thus
plan to end at noon on Wed.
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Sep/0004.html
(members only)
Discussion:
JohnM reviewed the current agenda draft for each day.
Additional agenda items to be added from conference call discussion
if necessary.
Currently no plans to have a joint meeting with Architecture Group.
Phone access to F2F meeting is being set up however details
currently
not available. Currently planning capacity for 5 incoming calls.
Please ping DBooth if you plan on dialing into the F2F (members
only).
It was requested that an agenda item for an update from a WSI-Org
liaison
be added.
JeffM agreed to give the update. Briefly discussed possible subject
matter to be covered.
It was requested that an agenda item be added to discuss REST (what
is it, does it impact the group).
Noted that the Architecture Group has that on their agenda for the
F2F.
It was suggested to ask the Architecture Grp to have the REST
presentation/discussion on Wed. during F2F and to allowing
ws-desc members to attend.
Suggested discussing GlenD MEP proposal at the F2F in his absence.
Left off
F2F agenda for now.
Observers to attend the F2F:
Erik Ackerman Lexmark
Hao He Thomson
Paco Curbera IBM
Also Architecture Gp members are invited to Wed. PM F2F meeting
time.
Updated Agenda will be sent out.
New Action Item: (None)
JohnM to request Architecture GP give REST
pres.
on Wed. at F2F.
Please ping DBooth if you plan on dialing into
the F2F
(members only).
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6. New Issues
Philippe points out a couple of public comments on the public comments
list [13]. What process do we want to follow (pre-last-call) to respond
to these comments and make sure real ones appear on our issues list?
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/
Discussion:
Public Comments have been/will be addressed by the Editors.
Editors will get public email comments directly to expedite
turn-around.
W3C Last Call procedure requires workgroup response to public
feedback.
Editorial staff will act as filter for the group for addressing
technical
comments that require design or discussion(i.e., not editorial).
Resolution: (Done)
New Action Item: (None)
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7. SOAP TF Status? Need more meetings? Is [15] the output?
Conclusions so far:
(1) We need to be able to express MEPs in the SOAP binding.
(2) The ability to describe features and MEPs at the abstract level
would be a good thing, but right now we don't know how much effort
it would take to do so.
(3) Feedback to XMLP WG: lack of something (such as a header) to
express the MEP in use. (Glen: perhaps we should say that, for
each binding, there must be a way to identify unambiguously the
MEP in use; of course, for bindings that support just one MEP
that's a no-op).
(4) Currently, there is no well-defined one-way MEP.
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0034.html
This topic was deferred last time. Is there anything more we need to do
here?
Discussion:
Discussed current status of the task force.
Proposal from GlenD addresses (1).
Other three items have been addressed as well.
Resolution: Declared Success and SOAP TF closed down.
New Action Item: (none)
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8. Proposal: Hoisting SOAP binding attributes [16]. Roberto's amendment
at [17].
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0058.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0105.html
Discussion: It was decided that the group should discuss
the proposal at F2F.
Resolution: PENDING
New Action Item: (none) JohnM to add to F2F agenda.
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9. Issue 51: Asymmetry between soap:body and soap:header [18]. Thread
starts at [19] (Kevin), continues at [20] and [21].
[18] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x51
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0048.html
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0049.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0081.html
Discussion:
Kevin gave summary of his proposal to address [18]. Concern
was raised about how making the <soap:body> and <soap:header>
completely symmetric would impact the way these elements are
currently used and how they are processed.
Resolution: No agreement, Discuss more at F2F.
New Action Item: (none) JohnM to add to F2F agenda.
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10. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model
Gudge's explains at [22], Roberto's options at [23].
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0186.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0071.html
Discussion:
MG gave an overview of Issue 25.
It was mentioned (JeffM?) that the WSI group was also addressing
this issue.
The group briefly discussed how WSI is proposing to address the
issue,
and the fact that it is basically option 3 from [23].
JeffM will keep group informed on WSI's progress
and when reviewable doc's are available. Input to the WSI group
was invited.
Resolution: Leave Open for now and monitor progress in WSI
New Action Item: (None)
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11. Issue 5: EncodingStyle
Issue 30: soap:body encodingStyle
Dietmar's soaptf proposal for encoding and use attributes. [24]
Arthur's recommendations. [25, 26]
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Jul/0016.html
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html
Discussion:
Arthur gave summary of his recommendations and it was noted
that the
recommendation addressed only part of the original set of
questions/issues from Dietmar's note and
that other issues contained in that note may need to be
discussed. John M, Dietmar, etc. discussed if the current
issues
could be closed and if there needed to be other new issues
raised as result of Deitmar's note.
Resolution:
Issue 5 and 30 are resolved per [25] and [26]
recommendations.
New Action Items:
Dietmar to extract remaining questions/issues from
[24] references in a new thread to be opened as a new issue.
JohnM to add to F2F agenda.
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12. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding> [27]. Jeffrey's
proposal at [28].
[27] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html#x18
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0122.html
Discussion:
Summary of the issues was given and the recommendations.
Recollection (from Jeffrey?) was that GlenD may still have
concerns about closing Issue 28 without action.
The issue of bindings raised in 28 needs a lot of
further discussion and the group may need to revisit Issue
18 later if
addressing Issue 28 results in a complete binding overhaul.
Resolution:
Issue 18 to be closed per [28] to make the transport
attribute
mandatory for the <soap:binding> element.
Issue 28 still open and may be discussed at F2F if time
permits.
New Action Item: (None)
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13. HTTP Binding Issues (6a, 41)
Jeffrey recommends no change [29].
Sanjiva is mulling this over [30].
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0102.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0067.html
Discussion: None. Still waiting for input from Sanjiva.
Resolution: Pending
New Action Item: (None)
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Call Adjourned
Summary of New Action Items:
1. Deitmar to extract remaining questions/issues from [24] and sent out
in a new email thread to be opened as a new issue(s).
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Scribe: Jerry Thrasher
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