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RE: non-outcry over eBay SOAP interace

From: Thompson, Bryan B. <BRYAN.B.THOMPSON@saic.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:37:51 -0500
Message-Id: <D24D16A6707B0A4B9EF084299CE99B390ACCE571@mcl-its-exs02.mail.saic.com>
To: "He, Hao" <Hao.He@thomson.com.au>, 'Michael Champion' <mc@xegesis.org>, "Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)" <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2002Mar/0056.html

in which Mark Baker argues in favor of SOAP for: "We *need* mandatory 
extensions, header targetting, and a better documented end-to-end model.
Right now, SOAP is the only _deployed_ means of getting all that."

However, this is in no small measure to the abortive attempt at HTTP-NG,
which did not gain a sufficient audience at the IETF.  He also recently
pointed me to a W3C Note that provides an extension mechansim for HTTP.

See
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/ietf-http-ext/draft-frystyk-http-extensions
-03.txt
and ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2774.txt, which seems to be the most
current draft (RFC 2774).

In sort, we can do these things within HTTP, and the existing web, if we
build the right contracts into the protocol or into protocol extensions.
Not everyone interested in REST wants to use HTTP, but some of us are
looking to extend the current web architecture, so that means HTTP +
requirements such as those that Mark (and others) have outlined and 
agreements on how those requirements will be fulfilled.

-bryan


-----Original Message-----
From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of He, Hao
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:17 PM
To: 'Michael Champion'; Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: non-outcry over eBay SOAP interace


Roger, 

Any idea why you "need the encapsulation of SOAP when performing operations
with a high level of contractual commitment."? I cannot see the correlation
here?

Hao

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Champion [mailto:mc@xegesis.org]
Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 8:08
To: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: Re: non-outcry over eBay SOAP interace




On Feb 12, 2004, at 4:01 PM, Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) wrote:

> If you dig into the links a bit you find the following, which I like:
>
> So there you have it in a nutshell. The XML-over-HTTP openness of REST 
> works best when you want to reach as wide a universe as possible. On 
> the other hand, you're going to need the encapsulation of SOAP when
> performing operations with a high level of contractual commitment. Most
> applications will need to use some of each.
>
>
I like that too.. where was it?
Received on Friday, 13 February 2004 06:38:05 UTC

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