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RE: Web Services specs

From: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:23:31 +0100
To: "'Jean-Jacques Moreau'" <jean-jacques.moreau@crf.canon.fr>, "'Cutler Roger (RogerCutler)'" <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Cc: "'Paul Denning'" <pauld@mitre.org>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <014701c38cef$5a16c560$6d0ba8c0@beasys.com>

I think there's a few interesting pictures that could be done.  I've
proposed this before, but I'll do it again.

Diagram #1: generic diagram of functionality.  I still like the 3 stack
diagram
Diagram #2-n: functionality with specification names.  Each diagram is a
particular constellation.  For example, the BEA diagram shows specs like
WS-ReliableMessaging, WS-Security, WS-Transaction*, BPEL.  The Oracle
diagram shows WS-Reliability, WS-Security, WS-CAF, WS-Chor.

I think there is a potential problem in that it should show the specs that
people "believe" in.  For example, BEA is not an author of ws-security
policy yet we believe in it.  This has the problem of what defines
"believe"?  Does that mean: is a co-author?  Is a "supporter"?  has shipped
an implementation?  has announced an implementation?  has participated in
interop testing?  has assigned folks to a committee?

I think there are constellations and they should be diagrammed, but there is
a danger of having lots of small variations that cloud the picture..

Cheers,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Jean-Jacques Moreau
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:31 PM
> To: Cutler Roger (RogerCutler)
> Cc: Paul Denning; www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Web Services specs
>
>
>
> I think it would be a valuable deliverable of this WG to work on a
> merged list with (some) explaination for each spec, and some
> amount of
> clustering. This would very concretely paint the WS landscape, in
> addition to your other deliverables.
>
> If this work was to take off, I might be able to contribute
> some drawings.
>
> Jean-Jacques.
>
> Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) wrote:
>
> > Wow.  That's a huge list.  It indeed has a bunch of things my
> > annotated list does not, but I think at least some of that
> is because
> > it is drilling down into more detail.  That is, some of these would
> > probably come under the umbrella of one of my more general entries.
> > Some others, however, are new to me.  And, I may be wrong, but I
> > think my list has a few not on this one.
> >
> > I am not volunteering to merge this list and mine.  There are too
> > many entries on this one that I don't understand ... And besides it
> > would take more time and effort than I am willing to put
> into this at
> > the moment.
> >
> > It seems to me that the two lists represent, to some extent,
> > different approaches and might serve different purposes.  Which, if
> > either, is appropriate output for this WG is unclear to me.  Maybe
> > neither -- but quite possibly many of us can individually
> derive some
> > benefit from these snapshots anyway.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Denning
> > [mailto:pauld@mitre.org] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:06 PM To:
> > www-ws-arch@w3.org Subject: Web Services specs
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a list that may be useful.  Not complete.  Some are not in
> > Roger's annotated list at
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Oct/0010.html
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > AT&T/BEA/Canon/Microsoft/SAP/ , SOAP Messages with
> Attachments, 1 Apr
> >  2003,
> >
> http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/SOAP_Messages_
> Attachment
> >  s.jsp BEA, SOAP Conversation Protocol (SOAP Conversation) 1.0, 13
> > Jun 2002,
> >
> http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/SOAPConversation.jsp
> > BEA, WS-CallBack Protocol (WS-CallBack), 26 Feb 2003,
> > http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/WS-CallBack-0_9.jsp
> > BEA, Web Service Acknowledgement Protocol (WS-Acknowledgement), 26
> > Feb 2003,
> >
> http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/WS-Acknowledge
> ment-0_9.j
> >  sp BEA, Web Services Message Data (WS-MessageData), 26 Feb 2003,
> >
> http://dev2dev.bea.com/technologies/webservices/WS-MessageData-0_9.jsp
> >  BEA/IBM/Microsoft, Business Process Execution Language for Web
> > Services,
> >
> > Version 1.0, 31 July 2002,
> > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-bpel/
> > BEA/IBM/Microsoft, Web Services Addressing , March 2003,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2003/03/ws-addressing/
> > BEA/IBM/Microsoft, Web Services Coordination (WS-Coordination),
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/08/WSCoor/ BEA/IBM/Microsoft, Web
> > Services Transaction (WS-Transaction), August 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/08/wstx/ BEA/IBM/Microsoft/TIBCO
> > Software, "Web Services Reliable Messaging Protocol", March 2003,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2003/03/ws-reliablemessaging/ DARPA,
> > DAML-S (and OWL-S) 0.9 Draft Release, 2003-05,
> > http://www.daml.org/services/daml-s/0.9/
> > Fujitsu/Hitachi/Oracle/Sonic/Sun, Web Services Reliability
> > (WS-Reliability) Ver1.0, 8 Jan 2003,
> > http://www.sonicsoftware.com/wsreliability IBM, Web Services Flow
> > Language (WSFL 1.0), May 2001,
> > http://www-3.ibm.com/software/solutions/webservices/pdf/WSFL.pdf
> > IBM/Microsoft, WS-Attachments, 17 June 2002,
> >
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-a
> ttach.html
> >  IBM/Microsoft/BEA/SAP, Web Services Policy Assertions Language
> > (WS-PolicyAssertions), 18 December 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/PolicyAssertions/
> > IBM/Microsoft/BEA/SAP, Web Services Policy Attachment
> > (WS-PolicyAttachment), 18 December 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/PolicyAttachment/
> > IBM/Microsoft/BEA/SAP, Web Services Policy Framework (WS-Policy), 18
> >  December 2002, http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/Policy/
> > IBM/Microsoft/VeriSign, "Web Services Security (WS-Security)", 5
> > April 2002, http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/04/Security/
> > IBM/Microsoft/VeriSign, "Web Services Security Addendum", Version
> > 1.0, 18 August 2002, http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/07/Security/
> > IBM/Microsoft/VeriSign/RSA Security, Web Services Secure
> Conversation
> >  Language (WS-SecureConversation), Version 1.0, 18 December 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/ws-secure-conversation/
> > IBM/Microsoft/VeriSign/RSA Security, Web Services Security Policy
> > Language (WS-SecurityPolicy), Version 1.0, 18 December 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/ws-security-policy/
> > IBM/Microsoft/VeriSign/RSA Security, Web Services Trust Language
> > (WS-Trust), Version 1.0, 18 December 2002,
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/ws/2002/12/ws-trust/ IETF, HTTP Over TLS,
> > RFC 2818, May 2000, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2818.txt IETF, Using
> > the Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) in Blocks Extensible
> > Exchange Protocol (BEEP), RFC 3288,
> > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3288.txt ISO/IEC, Information
> > Technology - Document Description and Processing Languages, The XML
> > Topic Maps (XTM) Syntax 1.1, JTC 1/SC34 N0398, 2003-04-03,
> > http://www.isotopicmaps.org/sam/sam-xtm/ OASIS,
> > Collaboration-Protocol Profile and Agreement Specification, Version
> > 2.0, OASIS ebXML Collaboration Protocol Profile and Agreement
> > Technical Committee, 23 September 2002
> >
> ,http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/204/ebcpp-2.0.pdf
> > OASIS, Message Service Specification, Version 2.0, OASIS ebXML
> > Messaging
> >
> > Services Technical Committee, 1 April 2002,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/documents/ebMS_v2_0.pdf
> >  OASIS, OASIS/ebXML Registry Information Model v2.0, Approved OASIS
> > Standard, OASIS/ebXML Registry Technical Committee, April 2002,
> >
> http://oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.0/specs/ebrim.pdf
> >  OASIS, OASIS/ebXML Registry Services Specification v2.0, Approved
> > OASIS Standard, OASIS/ebXML Registry Technical Committee,
> April 2002,
> >
> http://oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.0/specs/ebrs.pdf
> >  OASIS, Schema Centric XML Canonicalization, Version 1.0, 10 July
> > 2002,
> http://uddi.org/pubs/SchemaCentricCanonicalization-20020710.htm
> >  OASIS, Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) v1.1, OASIS
> > Standard, 2
> >
> > September 2003,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/3400/oasis-s
> stc-saml-1
> >  .1-pdf-xsd.zip OASIS, Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML), 5
> > Nov 2002,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/1383/oasis-s
> stc-saml-1
> >  .0-pdf.zip OASIS, UDDI Version 3.0 Published Specification, 19 July
> > 2002,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/uddi-spec/doc/tcspecs.htm#uddiv3
> >  OASIS, Universal Description, Discovery and Integration V2.0, 19
> > July 2002,
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/uddi-spec/tcspecs.shtml#uddiv2
> > OASIS, Web Services Security,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/1204/doc-index.html
> >  OASIS, Web Services for Remote Portlets Specification, OASIS
> > Standard, August 2003,
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/3343/oasis-2
> 00304-wsrp
> >  -specification-1.0.pdf OASIS, eXtensible Access Control Markup
> > Language (XACML) Version 1.0, OASIS Standard, 18 February
> >
> 2003,http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/940/oas
> is-xacml-1
> >  .0.pdf OASIS-UN/CEFACT, ebXML Business Process Specification Schema
> > (BPSS), Version 1.01, 11 May 2001,
> > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/ebBPSS.pdf W3C NOT, Web Services
> > Conversation Language (WSCL) 1.0, 14 March 2002,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-wscl10-20020314/ W3C NOTE, SOAP
> > Messages with Attachments, 11 Dec 2000,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/NOTE-SOAP-attachments-20001211 W3C NOTE,
> > SOAP Version 1.2 Message Normalization, 28 March 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/NOTE-soap12-n11n-20030328/ W3C NOTE, SOAP:
> > Simple Object Access Protocol 1.1, 08 May 2000,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/NOTE-SOAP-20000508/ W3C NOTE, Web Service
> > Choreography Interface (WSCI) 1.0, 8 August 2002,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-wsci-20020808 W3C, OWL Web Ontology
> > Language Guide, W3C Candidate Recommendation 18 August 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-guide-20030818/ W3C, OWL Web
> > Ontology Language Overview, W3C Candidate Recommendation, 18 August
> > 2003, http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-features-20030818/ W3C, OWL
> > Web Ontology Language Reference, W3C Candidate Recommendation 18
> > August 2003, http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-ref-20030818/ W3C, OWL
> > Web Ontology Language Semantics and Abstract Syntax, W3C Candidate
> > Recommendation 18 August 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-semantics-20030818/ W3C, OWL Web
> > Ontology Language Test Cases, W3C Candidate Recommendation,
> 18 August
> > 2003, http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-test-20030818/ W3C, OWL Web
> > Ontology Language Use Cases and Requirements, W3C Candidate
> >
> > Recommendation 18 August 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-webont-req-20030818/ W3C, SOAP Version
> > 1.2 Part 1: Messaging Framework, W3C Recommendation, 24 June 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-soap12-part1-20030624/ W3C, SOAP
> > Version 1.2 Part 2: Adjuncts, W3C Recommendation, 24 June 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-soap12-part2-20030624/ W3C, Web
> > Services Description Language (WSDL) 1.1, W3C Node, 15 March 2001,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-wsdl-20010315 W3C, Web Services
> > Description Language (WSDL) Version 1.2 Part 1: Core Language, W3C
> > Working Draft, 11 June 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-wsdl12-20030611 W3C, Web Services
> > Description Language (WSDL) Version 1.2 Part 2: Message
> Patterns, W3C
> > Working Draft, 11 June 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-wsdl12-patterns-20030611 W3C, Web
> > Services Description Language (WSDL) Version 1.2 Part 3: Bindings,
> > W3C Working Draft, 11 June 2003,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-wsdl12-bindings-20030611 W3C, XML
> > Encryption Syntax and Processing - W3C Recommendation, 10 December
> > 2002, http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/PR-xmlenc-core-20021003/
> W3C, XML Key
> > Management Specification (XKMS) - W3C Note, 30 March 2001,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/xkms/ W3C, XML-Signature Syntax and
> Processing -
> > W3C Recommendation, 12 February 2002,
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-core/ Web Services Interoperability
> > Organization, Basic Profile Version 1.0a, Final Specification,
> > 2003-08-08,
> > http://ws-i.org/Profiles/Basic/2003-08/BasicProfile-1.0a.html Web
> > Services Interoperability Organization, Sample Application Supply
> > Chain Management Architecture, Version 1.0, 16 April 2003,
> >
http://www.ws-i.org/SampleApplications/SupplyChainManagement/2003-04/SCM
>  Architecture1.0-BdAD.pdf
>
>
>
>
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