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Re: Updated status of D-AG0014, coordination / liaison outside W3C

From: Christopher Ferris <chris.ferris@sun.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:34:50 -0500
Message-ID: <3CA0951A.9060400@sun.com>
To: Katia Sycara <katia@cs.cmu.edu>
CC: Doug Bunting <db134722@iPlanet.com>, Public W/S Arch <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Katia,

The TAG is technically not a W3C "Working Group"[1]

Cheers,

Chris

[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/07/19-tag

Katia Sycara wrote:

> Doug,
> 
>  I agree that D-AG0014 can be removed and replaced by the extended 
> D-AG0013 you proposed.
> 
>  
> 
> However, I have a question: why do we need to expliclty mention the 
> Technical Architecture Group? Is this a group within W3C or outside? In 
> either case, why explicitly mention it?
> 
>  Thanks, Katia
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org
>     [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Doug Bunting
>     Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:11 PM
>     To: Public W/S Arch
>     Subject: Updated status of D-AG0014, coordination / liaison outside W3C
> 
>     All,
> 
>     We've had a bit of discussion on this goal since my previous Status
>     email [1].  Unfortunately, even the small group of Hugo [2], Daniel
>     [3] and I [4] hasn't reached agreement.  (Or, maybe I'm just
>     unconvinced.)  Hugo has chosen to put the debate aside until decided
>     when describing the status of D-AG0013, coordination within W3C [5].
> 
>     In [4], I asked the following questions:
>     1. whether "liaise" is in scope,
>     2. whether working with outside groups is sufficiently distinct from
>     working with W3C for its own WSAWG goal, and
>     3. whether such work is distinct from recognizing available
>     technologies from outside groups for its own WSAWG goal.
>     4. whether "other groups doing Web services related work" in the
>     current text for D-AG0013 should be clarified to specifically
>     encompass those groups not part of the W3C.
> 
>     The text I was referring to in 4. was
> 
>         D-AG0013 "co-ordinate with other W3C Working Groups, the
>         Technical Architecture Group and other groups doing Web services
>         related work in order to maintain a coherent architecture for
>         Web services."
> 
>     Note: I've updated this to include David's point about the
>     singularity of the TAG [6].
> 
>     If 3. (recognizing outside technologies) is part of goal D-AG0003 or
>     D-AG0011 or one of the others, this would be another reason to
>     remove D-AG0014.
> 
>     As it is, we definitely need more input on this goal and it is not
>     clear we're ready for critical success factors (even if I knew how
>     to measure or liaison ability).  The current text remains
> 
>         D-AG0014 "serve as liaison with groups outside W3C who are
>         working on web services in order to achive interoperability and
>         reduce duplication of effort"
> 
>     I believe this goal should be removed and handled through the
>     extension to D-AG0013 previously discussed and captured above. 
>     While "liaise" and "coordinate" are somewhat different terms, the
>     goal is the same.  Our ability to meet any external liaison goals
>     may be less than our ability to perform coordination internal to W3C
>     but this doesn't change our aims.  If the group wishes to maintain
>     this as a separate goal from D-AG0013, I might suggest a parallel
>     goal structure:
> 
>         D-AG0013 "co-ordinate with groups outside W3C doing Web services
>         related work in order to maintain a coherent architecture for
>         Web services."
> 
>     thanx,
>         doug
> 
>     [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0206.html
>     [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0263.html
>     [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0218.html
>     [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0227.html
>     [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0376.html
>     [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0274.html
>      
> 
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