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Updated status of D-AG0014, coordination / liaison outside W3C

From: Doug Bunting <db134722@iPlanet.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:11:22 -0800
Message-ID: <3C9FAE9A.9C7FFA87@iPlanet.com>
To: Public W/S Arch <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
All,

We've had a bit of discussion on this goal since my previous Status
email [1].  Unfortunately, even the small group of Hugo [2], Daniel [3]
and I [4] hasn't reached agreement.  (Or, maybe I'm just unconvinced.)
Hugo has chosen to put the debate aside until decided when describing
the status of D-AG0013, coordination within W3C [5].

In [4], I asked the following questions:
1. whether "liaise" is in scope,
2. whether working with outside groups is sufficiently distinct from
working with W3C for its own WSAWG goal, and
3. whether such work is distinct from recognizing available technologies
from outside groups for its own WSAWG goal.
4. whether "other groups doing Web services related work" in the current
text for D-AG0013 should be clarified to specifically encompass those
groups not part of the W3C.

The text I was referring to in 4. was

     D-AG0013 "co-ordinate with other W3C Working Groups, the
     Technical Architecture Group and other groups doing Web
     services related work in order to maintain a coherent
     architecture for Web services."

Note: I've updated this to include David's point about the singularity
of the TAG [6].

If 3. (recognizing outside technologies) is part of goal D-AG0003 or
D-AG0011 or one of the others, this would be another reason to remove
D-AG0014.

As it is, we definitely need more input on this goal and it is not clear
we're ready for critical success factors (even if I knew how to measure
or liaison ability).  The current text remains

     D-AG0014 "serve as liaison with groups outside W3C who are
     working on web services in order to achive interoperability
     and reduce duplication of effort"

I believe this goal should be removed and handled through the extension
to D-AG0013 previously discussed and captured above.  While "liaise" and
"coordinate" are somewhat different terms, the goal is the same.  Our
ability to meet any external liaison goals may be less than our ability
to perform coordination internal to W3C but this doesn't change our
aims.  If the group wishes to maintain this as a separate goal from
D-AG0013, I might suggest a parallel goal structure:

     D-AG0013 "co-ordinate with groups outside W3C doing Web
     services related work in order to maintain a coherent
     architecture for Web services."

thanx,
    doug

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0206.html
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0263.html
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0218.html
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0227.html
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0376.html
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Mar/0274.html
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