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Re: [cc] Implementation Report Plan updated - 15 July 2010 (was Re: CCXML 1.0 is published as a Candidate Recommendation)

From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:22:43 +0900
Message-ID: <4C446DC3.1000000@w3.org>
To: Petr Kuba <kuba@optimsys.cz>
CC: www-voice <www-voice@w3.org>
Thanks, Petr!

Kazuyuki


On 07/20/2010 12:12 AM, Petr Kuba wrote:
> Hi Kazuyuki,
> 
> no problem, take your time :-)
> 
> There are still enough issues we can investigate without your decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Petr
> 
> On 19.7.2010 17:04, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>> Hi Petr,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your testing CCXML spec with the updated IRP and
>> letting us know about these problems.  As I mentioned in my previous
>> message, I think we need some more discussion within the Voice Browser
>> Working Group about this.  I've already brought your request to the
>> group and we are now discussing it.  Could you please wait a moment?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kazuyuki
>>
>>
>> On 07/19/2010 10:29 PM, Petr Kuba wrote:
>>> Hi Kazuyuki,
>>>
>>> We have started to test new IR without new CR and we've already met
>>> several problems.
>>>
>>> First, since we don't have new CR we can just guess correct behavior
>>> according to the accepted issues and email discussions. So it is harder
>>> to detect problems in the IR.
>>>
>>> Second, we've met problems that we already reported in the previous IR
>>> and that haven't been fixed. We will report them in separate emails but
>>> for instance:
>>>
>>> 1) 7_2: combination of attributes in<dialogstart>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010AprJun/0111.html
>>> We haven't received any response for this issue yet.
>>>
>>> 2) 7_1: attribute enctype used with the value of the method "post" in
>>> <dialogprepare>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010AprJun/0108.html
>>> This is tracked as ISSUE-710 but there is no resolution yet.
>>>
>>> Since we don't know whether these issues will be accepted or rejected we
>>> don't know how to behave in these cases. And we don't want to change our
>>> implementation before having resolutions - it would help us to pass all
>>> tests but it would be probably waste of time.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, if these issues are accepted it will be necessary to modify
>>> the IR again!
>>>
>>> Therefore I believe that to prepare final version of the IR it is
>>> necessary at least to resolve all issues but it would be better to
>>> re-publish the CR as well. If I understand it right, it could be
>>> difficult to fix any issues in the PR.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Petr
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.7.2010 15:49, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>>> Hi Petr,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for asking about this.  The Voice Browser Working Group
>>>> discussed whether we should re-publish the Candidate Recommendation
>>>> itself or not, and the conclusion was it should be OK to fix the
>>>> issues in the CR when we publish the PR [e.g., 1] because we thought
>>>> the specification could be tested even with the current CR.
>>>>
>>>> However, if it's really confusing and difficult to test the spec with
>>>> the current CR published on April 1 [2], I think it's worth
>>>> reconsidering we fix the issues right away and re-publish CR.  I'd
>>>> like to talk about how we should/could do within the group.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010JulSep/0002.html
>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/16/2010 09:27 PM, Petr Kuba wrote:
>>>>> Hello Kazuyuki,
>>>>>
>>>>> could you please inform us about intentions of the Working Group in
>>>>> finalizing the Implementation Report and the CCXML Candidate Recommendation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since some of the issues that appeared in the previous version of IR
>>>>> involved also CR I'm not sure how to test new IR without new version of
>>>>> CR. Shall we assume that the specification will be modified according to
>>>>> the accepted issues or shall we use current version of the specification
>>>>> although it contains bugs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why have you decided not to change CR?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say that current situation looks pretty chaotic to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Petr Kuba
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16.7.2010 0:02, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>>>>> Hi www-voice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "Voice Browser Call Control: CCXML Version 1.0" specification
>>>>>> entered the Candidate Recommendation period on 1 April 2010.  And
>>>>>> there were many thoughtful comments especially about its
>>>>>> Implementation Report Plan document on this Voice Browser public list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we have modified the Implementation Report Plan document based on
>>>>>> all the public comments, and would like to publish the updated
>>>>>> document today on 15 July 2010 at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please see Appendix E [1] of the document for the detail of the
>>>>>> changes from the previous version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note:
>>>>>> There is no changes in CCXML 1.0 Candidate Recommendation [2] itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/#h_changes
>>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/02/2010 04:44 PM, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi www-voice,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the advancement of "Voice Browser Call
>>>>>>> Control: CCXML Version 1.0" to Candidate Recommendation on April 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCXML provides declarative markup to describe telephony call
>>>>>>> control. It can provide a complete telephony service application,
>>>>>>> comprised of Web server CGI compliant application logic, one or more
>>>>>>> CCXML documents to declare and perform call control actions, and to
>>>>>>> control one or more dialog applications that perform user media
>>>>>>> interactions. CCXML is a language that can be used with a dialog
>>>>>>> system such as (but not limited to) VoiceXML.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The specification is now available as follows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This version:
>>>>>>>          http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Latest version:
>>>>>>>          http://www.w3.org/TR/ccxml/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please submit your Implementation Reports by May 28.  The
>>>>>>> Implementation Report Plan document is available at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kazuyuki Ashimura (on behalf of the Voice Browser Working Group co-Chairs)
>>>>>>> Voice Browser Activity Lead
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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