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Re: [cc] Implementation Report Plan updated - 15 July 2010 (was Re: CCXML 1.0 is published as a Candidate Recommendation)

From: Petr Kuba <kuba@optimsys.cz>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:12:54 +0200
Message-ID: <4C446B76.6050207@optimsys.cz>
To: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
CC: www-voice <www-voice@w3.org>
Hi Kazuyuki,

no problem, take your time :-)

There are still enough issues we can investigate without your decision.

Regards,
Petr

On 19.7.2010 17:04, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
> Hi Petr,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your testing CCXML spec with the updated IRP and
> letting us know about these problems.  As I mentioned in my previous
> message, I think we need some more discussion within the Voice Browser
> Working Group about this.  I've already brought your request to the
> group and we are now discussing it.  Could you please wait a moment?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kazuyuki
> 
> 
> On 07/19/2010 10:29 PM, Petr Kuba wrote:
>> Hi Kazuyuki,
>>
>> We have started to test new IR without new CR and we've already met
>> several problems.
>>
>> First, since we don't have new CR we can just guess correct behavior
>> according to the accepted issues and email discussions. So it is harder
>> to detect problems in the IR.
>>
>> Second, we've met problems that we already reported in the previous IR
>> and that haven't been fixed. We will report them in separate emails but
>> for instance:
>>
>> 1) 7_2: combination of attributes in<dialogstart>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010AprJun/0111.html
>> We haven't received any response for this issue yet.
>>
>> 2) 7_1: attribute enctype used with the value of the method "post" in
>> <dialogprepare>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010AprJun/0108.html
>> This is tracked as ISSUE-710 but there is no resolution yet.
>>
>> Since we don't know whether these issues will be accepted or rejected we
>> don't know how to behave in these cases. And we don't want to change our
>> implementation before having resolutions - it would help us to pass all
>> tests but it would be probably waste of time.
>>
>> Furthermore, if these issues are accepted it will be necessary to modify
>> the IR again!
>>
>> Therefore I believe that to prepare final version of the IR it is
>> necessary at least to resolve all issues but it would be better to
>> re-publish the CR as well. If I understand it right, it could be
>> difficult to fix any issues in the PR.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Petr
>>
>>
>> On 16.7.2010 15:49, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>> Hi Petr,
>>>
>>> Thanks for asking about this.  The Voice Browser Working Group
>>> discussed whether we should re-publish the Candidate Recommendation
>>> itself or not, and the conclusion was it should be OK to fix the
>>> issues in the CR when we publish the PR [e.g., 1] because we thought
>>> the specification could be tested even with the current CR.
>>>
>>> However, if it's really confusing and difficult to test the spec with
>>> the current CR published on April 1 [2], I think it's worth
>>> reconsidering we fix the issues right away and re-publish CR.  I'd
>>> like to talk about how we should/could do within the group.
>>>
>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2010JulSep/0002.html
>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kazuyuki
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/16/2010 09:27 PM, Petr Kuba wrote:
>>>> Hello Kazuyuki,
>>>>
>>>> could you please inform us about intentions of the Working Group in
>>>> finalizing the Implementation Report and the CCXML Candidate Recommendation?
>>>>
>>>> Since some of the issues that appeared in the previous version of IR
>>>> involved also CR I'm not sure how to test new IR without new version of
>>>> CR. Shall we assume that the specification will be modified according to
>>>> the accepted issues or shall we use current version of the specification
>>>> although it contains bugs?
>>>>
>>>> Why have you decided not to change CR?
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that current situation looks pretty chaotic to me.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Petr Kuba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16.7.2010 0:02, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>>>> Hi www-voice,
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Voice Browser Call Control: CCXML Version 1.0" specification
>>>>> entered the Candidate Recommendation period on 1 April 2010.  And
>>>>> there were many thoughtful comments especially about its
>>>>> Implementation Report Plan document on this Voice Browser public list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we have modified the Implementation Report Plan document based on
>>>>> all the public comments, and would like to publish the updated
>>>>> document today on 15 July 2010 at:
>>>>>
>>>>>        http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see Appendix E [1] of the document for the detail of the
>>>>> changes from the previous version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note:
>>>>> There is no changes in CCXML 1.0 Candidate Recommendation [2] itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/#h_changes
>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/02/2010 04:44 PM, Kazuyuki Ashimura wrote:
>>>>>> Hi www-voice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are pleased to announce the advancement of "Voice Browser Call
>>>>>> Control: CCXML Version 1.0" to Candidate Recommendation on April 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CCXML provides declarative markup to describe telephony call
>>>>>> control. It can provide a complete telephony service application,
>>>>>> comprised of Web server CGI compliant application logic, one or more
>>>>>> CCXML documents to declare and perform call control actions, and to
>>>>>> control one or more dialog applications that perform user media
>>>>>> interactions. CCXML is a language that can be used with a dialog
>>>>>> system such as (but not limited to) VoiceXML.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The specification is now available as follows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This version:
>>>>>>         http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-ccxml-20100401/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Latest version:
>>>>>>         http://www.w3.org/TR/ccxml/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please submit your Implementation Reports by May 28.  The
>>>>>> Implementation Report Plan document is available at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         http://www.w3.org/Voice/2009/ccxml-irp/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kazuyuki Ashimura (on behalf of the Voice Browser Working Group co-Chairs)
>>>>>> Voice Browser Activity Lead
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
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