- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:11:21 +0100
- To: "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>
Minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html
and the same as text:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
28 Feb 2013
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMar/0061.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.415.308.aaaa, Doug_Schepers, [IPcaller], ed,
cabanier, nikos_, krit, +33.9.53.77.aabb, Tav
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
cabanier, shanestephens, shepazu
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]publishing SVG2
2. [6]referencing the HTML spec
3. [7]text on path overflowing
4. [8]Whitespace at end of textpath
5. [9]html element in SVG
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<krit> cabanier: that is what I meant :P
<trackbot> Date: 28 February 2013
<krit> cabanier: I am
<krit> cabanier: but no one else :P
<cabanier> scribenick: cabanier
publishing SVG2
ed: I sent my feedback
… there are 'missing reference, couldn't find, etc"
… it would be nice to fix that
krit: that's a requirement for publishing
ed: maybe somone should go through and see what problems there
are
… unless anyone objects, we should publish
nikos: I can take an action
ed: ok
<scribe> ACTION: Nikos to validate the spec for lose references
[recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3466 - Validate the spec for lose
references [on Nikos Andronikos - due 2013-03-07].
<ed> see
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMa
r/0058.html
[12]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMar/0058.html
ed: we need to change the appendix from svg 1.1
… should we keep it?
krit: I think we already resolved to do it the same as css
ed: OK. we need another action to see what needs to be listed
<scribe> ACTION: Nikos to see what needs to be done to update
the appendix [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3467 - See what needs to be done to
update the appendix [on Nikos Andronikos - due 2013-03-07].
krit: you just need to check what needs to be modified
ed: can we resolve to publish once these actions are done?
resolution: The WG will publish the spec once action 3466 and
3467 are done
referencing the HTML spec
ed: is rich on the call?
… if he want to clarify the topic
… I was replying to his email
krit: the HTML spec has things that we want to reference
… it's not in the HTML5 spec so can we reference the WhatWG
spec
cabanier: did you look at the 5.1 spec?
shepazu: what are you looking for?
<krit> [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-Window-20060407/
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-Window-20060407/
krit: the section that refers to window
ed: that is just an informative reference from the svg spec
krit: why not normative?
ed: there was no a window object in 1.1
<shepazu>
[15]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/browsers.html#t
he-window-object
[15]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/browsers.html#the-window-object
[16]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/browsers.html#
the-window-object
[16]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/browsers.html#the-window-object
<ed>
[17]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#InterfaceGetSVGDocum
ent
[17] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#InterfaceGetSVGDocument
ed: is there anything there in the whatwg that is not in the
html5 spec
krit: I don't think so
… I will change the reference from the window spec to HTML5
<scribe> ACTION: krit to update the spec and change the
reference from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3468 - Update the spec and change the
reference from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [on Dirk
Schulze - due 2013-03-07].
<ed>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMa
r/0055.html
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMar/0055.html
ed: should we go over this list?
cabanier: maybe we should wait until he calls in
krit: or we can discuss it on the mailing list?
shepazu: can we discuss it on www-svg?
ed: sure
text on path overflowing
<ed>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Feb/0053.ht
ml
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Feb/0053.html
krit: text now gets clipped. sometimes that's what you want but
sometimes not
… but I agree with Erik's reply on the list
ed: should we define how the text overflows?
krit: maybe. but no magic
ed: is that wrapping?
krit: yes. no estimating like continuing an arc
ed: for me, it would be fine to tie the end together. Just
restart from the beginning
… that would be a simple model
krit: there are use case that the text just continues
… if we take the last angle and continue in a straight line
… which seemed what he asked for
… but your suggestion sounds good too
ed: like a 'wrapped' keyword
… but I don't know if it makes sense to extend text overflow
like this
krit: I have no strong opinion on this
ed: I think it would be fine to have a workaround for this.
… his email states that he already is fixing it by extending
the path. So I think it's OK to defer
krit: that would be fine for me as wel
resolution: defer text on a path extension to a later date
* sure. thanks! *
<shepazu> scribenick: shanestephens
<shepazu> scribenick: shepazu
Whitespace at end of textpath
<ed> [21]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187
[21] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187
ed: not sure how this is affected by changes we're making to
whitespace, propose to defer until we know more about how CSS
whitespace will affect us
Issue: figure out how to deal with trailing whitespace in
textpath per
[22]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187
[22] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2446 - Figure out how to deal with
trailing whitespace in textpath per
[23]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187; please
complete additional details at
<[24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2446/edit>.
[23] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187;
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2446/edit%3E.
<krit>
[25]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=SVG
[25] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=SVG
html element in SVG
krit: discussed this at F2F, also talking about it in WebKit
<krit>
[26]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html#PointerEventsPropert
y
[26] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html#PointerEventsProperty
krit: pointer-events property started in SVG, implemented for
CSS+HTML
<scribe> … dropped from CSS UI 3
ed: you want to add this to SVG 2?
krit: pointer-events in all browsers, but Firefox and WebKituse
'auto' as initial value
… I propose for SVG that we allow 'auto' as value and use as
initial value
shepazu: I propose that this be done in CSS, and that it should
be part of a larger hit-testing spec… let's not define it in
SVG anymore
krit: fine by me
<ed>
[27]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#PointerEventsP
roperty
[27]
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#PointerEventsProperty
ed: sound fine, as long as we add the SVG Tiny 1.2 property
keyword 'boundingBox'
shepazu: could also have alpha-based hit-testing, for games
krit: talked about this in WebKit, expensive for us
shepazu: more difficult still for people doing it in JS
krit: just do it in canvas
shepazu: then why not optimize that way in the implementation?
krit: sure, why not?
<scribe> ACTION: propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS
WG [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Error finding 'propose'. You can review and register
nicknames at
<[29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users>.
[29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users%3E.
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to propose hit-testing/pointer-events
spec to CSS WG [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3469 - Propose
hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [on Doug Schepers -
due 2013-03-07].
<krit> <svg><html>..html..content..</html></svg>
<krit> <html> must have boundaries
<krit> —> SVGHTMLElement
shepazu: did we resolve around <svg><html>…</htlm></svg>
without <foreignObject>?
ed: we'd need x/y on <html>
krit: Hixie proposed this, and said it's up to SVG WG
<ed> also width/height
krit: the <html> tag inside the SVG NS would be an SVG element
<krit> It would be more like the HTMLBodyElement
shepazu: let's take it to www-svg
ADJOURNED
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: krit to update the spec and change the reference
from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Nikos to see what needs to be done to update the
appendix [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Nikos to validate the spec for lose references
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to propose hit-testing/pointer-events
spec to CSS WG [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
Personal blog: http://my.opera.com/macdev_ed
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