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Re: Whether to display inner or outermost <title>?

From: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:31:55 -0500
Message-ID: <da131fde0808060531j1ca19dc1h1b20cf92f9eac379@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>, "Jonathan Chetwynd" <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>

Forgot to include mailing list.  I did look at the WebKit and Mozilla
bugs though and I think I understand what Jonathan means (it is as I
guessed below, when the images are disabled in a user agent).
However, my question about nested <desc> elements still needs to be


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
> <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 2. Doug asked how should <desc> be treated?  Should it also feed into the
>> tooltip?
>> if one is to meet user expectations regarding html desc content should be
>> displayed in the body of the window.
> Can you clarify what you mean by this?  I'm not clear when the desc
> should be displayed in the window (or I misunderstand what you mean by
> 'body of the window').  The spec explicitly states that the desc
> content should NOT be displayed
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#DescriptionAndTitleElements)
> when the item is displayed visually:
> "When the current SVG document fragment is rendered as SVG on visual
> media, 'desc' and 'title' elements are not rendered as part of the
> graphics"
> If <title> becomes a tooltip, what does <desc> become?
> Are you talking about using svg root's <desc> as the alternative text
> when the item cannot be displayed visually?  If so, what to do about
> nested elements that have <desc> children?
> <svg>
>  <title>Bowl of Fruit</title>
>  <desc>This is a bowl of fruit depicting an orange, an apple, and
> some grapes</desc>
>  <g>
>    <desc>This is a red delicious apple</desc>
>  </g>
> </svg>
> Can you describe how (and when) you think the two <desc> elements
> should be displayed by the user agent?
>> Is it amazing that after a decade, no user agent has made any attempt to
>> display at this?
> It's never been very clear to me how it should be used - so it's not
> that amazing to me.  But it is amazing to me that it's been a decade
> since user agents have been displaying SVG...
> Thanks,
> Jeff
Received on Wednesday, 6 August 2008 12:32:30 UTC

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