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Tinier people

From: Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:40:21 -0500
To: www-svg@w3.org
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I can't say I'm fond of being ridiculed behind my back.

>(The 'randomly insulted' being in response to characterising any
>changes to Tiny other than the ones he had proposed as being absurd,
>foolish, etc even when informed that competent engineers had made the
>proposals and that they had been carefully consiered in the working

Right.  I'm afraid I didn't believe your list of suggestions was
actually for real, especially after your initial reply.  At this point,
constructing subsets by stripping things out doesn't appear to work very
well for SVG, if Tiny is any evidence at all.

>Since Simon does not subscribe to the list, the fact that he has been
>discussing this with a highly technical audience, including some well
>known Java experts is lost on him, as he doesn't know the audience. I
>should perhaps have mailed him off-list with some introductions. Oh

I subscribed to the list until September, when I chopped off all of my
W3C subscriptions (except for www-xml-linking-comments, which no longer
permits resubscription).  I'm well aware of who is on the list and what
it does.  Portraying me otherwise is both condescending and incorrect.

>Unfortunately I said we *were* interested and asked for more details,
>which seems to have unsettled Simon.

It seemed like you were being reflexively defensive from the start of
this belated conversation, I'm afraid.  Try revisiting:

and see what you think.  I can't find much reason to think otherwise.

>For those who don't know him from other fora, Simon does not normally
>resort to that sort of glib evasion when loosing an argument. I
>suspect that his original email was a quick one-off that he didn't
>expect to be taken seriously. It was, which regrettably he found

For those of you who don't know Chris from other fora, Chris is normally
quite a reasonable speaker who doesn't automatically assume that he
knows better than those he is addressing.  His tone in this forum is
downright confusing to some of us who have met him in other contexts.

>Until you want text which is rotated, skewed, word spaced, etc.

And if you're working in a media where that is only wild dreaming, there
is little point in considering it.

>Again the stimulating riposte. Oh well. Vague sweepings to one side of
>technical issues and exeunt stage right.

Excuse me for being frustrated by now with your obnoxious tone.

>In conformance with his last wishes, Simon is not cc'ed on this

List etiquette rarely encourages personal slams of the kind you have
repeatedly indulged in throughout this message in the dark.  If you'd
like to ridicule me, I strongly recommend that you do it to my face. It
makes it much easier for me to size up your character, among other

>If anyone *else* is looking at SVG Tiny on JavaME then, to reiterate,
>W3C is very interested in talking about that in terms of code size,
>performance, and use cases.
>We are also very interested to hear about any new SVG Tiny and SVG
>Basic implementations on other platforms.

I'm afraid I've lost any appetite whatsoever for contributing to your
visions, so I'll take this uninvitation quite happily.

Simon St.Laurent - SSL is my TLA
http://simonstl.com may be my URI
http://monasticxml.org may be my ascetic URI
urn:oid: is another possibility altogether
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