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Re: [css3-lists] [css3-speech] Interaction between list-style-type and speak properties

From: Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:02:51 +0000
Cc: Charles Belov <Charles.Belov@sfmta.com>
Message-Id: <F44F3F7E-1C10-48A2-AC71-E096C7976670@gmail.com>
To: "www-style@w3.org list" <www-style@w3.org>, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>

On 7 Feb 2011, at 21:04, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
>> But in the case of a public meeting, where we have a legally  
>> published
>> agenda, and items are called by the chair by letter, it would be
>> important to me that the rendered speech be:
>>
>> A. First item
>> B. Second item
>> C. Third item
>>
>> and I would definitely *not* want to leave this decision
>> to the user agent.
>
> This is an important case for more than just Speech.  In general,
> sometimes the list marker is important content and shouldn't be
> CSS-controlled.
>
> To solve this, I'm going to propose an 'inline' value for
> list-style-type and a 'marker' value for display, which lets you write
> the marker directly in the content, mark it as a marker, then display
> it like a list item marker.  In this case, Speech should indeed read
> the actual content of the marker.
>
> This proposal will show up in the draft sometime this week as I finish
> out my first draft.

Hi Tab,

I've tried to keep track of changes [1] in the CSS3-Lists editor's  
draft [2] since this CSS3-Speech issue was raised. How stable is the  
current CSS3-Lists draft specification now ? Any idea of how far it is  
likely to get up the W3C recommendation ladder, within the next few  
months ? From the perspective of CSS3-Speech, it is preferable to  
minimize the dependencies on other parts of CSS3, especially those in  
draft stage. I am not totally sure that CSS3-Speech needs new list- 
specific properties (read on).

I have been studying the speech-synthesis aspects surrounding lists  
and tables more closely since Charles raised the issue. It is clear  
that the CSS3-Speech module cannot remain silent (pun intended) about  
these special content structures: regardless of whether CSS3-Speech  
needs new functionality to allow authors to explicitly control list  
and table aural rendering, we should at least describe what is out-of- 
scope, and what the basic level of support is (I will propose some  
specification language in the editor's draft soon).

Thoughts welcome.
Regards, Dan

PS: how come the CSS3-Lists specification hosted at dev.w3c.org is not  
marked as an editor's draft ? (you know, with the red label on the  
left of the page, such as [3]) Is this an error with the Makefile, or  
the W3C HTML post-processor service ?

[1]
http://www.xanthir.com/feed/public-css-commits/?spec=css3-lists&format=html

[2]
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-lists/Overview.html

[3]
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-lists/Overview.src.html
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