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Re: [css3-lists] [css3-speech] Interaction between list-style-type and speak properties

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:14:41 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pbJn2Oyva-5f2t6CEC1Ma6=jdgPA0oOeLpcXG@mail.gmail.com>
To: Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>
Cc: "www-style@w3.org list" <www-style@w3.org>, Charles Belov <Charles.Belov@sfmta.com>
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2011, at 21:04, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
>>> But in the case of a public meeting, where we have a legally published
>>> agenda, and items are called by the chair by letter, it would be
>>> important to me that the rendered speech be:
>>> A. First item
>>> B. Second item
>>> C. Third item
>>> and I would definitely *not* want to leave this decision
>>> to the user agent.
>> This is an important case for more than just Speech.  In general,
>> sometimes the list marker is important content and shouldn't be
>> CSS-controlled.
>> To solve this, I'm going to propose an 'inline' value for
>> list-style-type and a 'marker' value for display, which lets you write
>> the marker directly in the content, mark it as a marker, then display
>> it like a list item marker.  In this case, Speech should indeed read
>> the actual content of the marker.
>> This proposal will show up in the draft sometime this week as I finish
>> out my first draft.
> Hi Tab,
> I've tried to keep track of changes [1] in the CSS3-Lists editor's draft [2]
> since this CSS3-Speech issue was raised. How stable is the current
> CSS3-Lists draft specification now ? Any idea of how far it is likely to get
> up the W3C recommendation ladder, within the next few months?  From the
> perspective of CSS3-Speech, it is preferable to minimize the dependencies on
> other parts of CSS3, especially those in draft stage. I am not totally sure
> that CSS3-Speech needs new list-specific properties (read on).

I'm actively working on it right now, and should finish my edits this
week and request to publish as WD immediately after.  Progress to CR
depends on implementors giving me feedback on the parts of the spec
that aren't just clarifications or conservative additions.

> I have been studying the speech-synthesis aspects surrounding lists and
> tables more closely since Charles raised the issue. It is clear that the
> CSS3-Speech module cannot remain silent (pun intended) about these special
> content structures: regardless of whether CSS3-Speech needs new
> functionality to allow authors to explicitly control list and table aural
> rendering, we should at least describe what is out-of-scope, and what the
> basic level of support is (I will propose some specification language in the
> editor's draft soon).

Sure, sounds reasonable.

> PS: how come the CSS3-Lists specification hosted at dev.w3c.org is not
> marked as an editor's draft ? (you know, with the red label on the left of
> the page, such as [3]) Is this an error with the Makefile, or the W3C HTML
> post-processor service ?

Some error with how the post-processor sniffs for the version.  We
fixed it with Image Values (by putting back the things the
post-processor sniffs for), but I forget how and haven't cared enough
to look into the problem again for Lists.

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