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Re: [CSS21] bidi, text-align, and list markers

From: Markus Ernst <derernst@gmx.ch>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:28:26 +0200
Cc: www-style@w3.org, bert@w3.org, fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net, alan@css-class.com
Message-ID: <20100603072826.71470@gmx.net>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, ambrose.li@gmail.com
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:28:07 -0700
> Von: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>

> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Ambrose LI <ambrose.li@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2 June 2010 14:12, Alan Gresley <alan@css-class.com> wrote:
> >> I disagree to regarding the placement of the list marker. For Boris'
> >> example.
> >>
> >>    * 123 WERBEH
> >>    * latin latin
> >>    * latin latin
> >>
> >>
> >> To achieve this, an author can use a child element.
> >>
> >> <ul>
> >>  <li><span dir="rtl">HEBREW 123</span></li>
> >>  <li>latin latin</li>
> >>  <li>latin latin</li>
> >> </ul>
> >
> > But wouldn't it be very counterintuitive to have <li dir=rtl> mean
> > something different than <li><span dir=rtl> ?
> >
> > As an uninformed author (i.e., one that is not following this list
> > closely), I find it very surprising that I'll have to use a child
> > element when I can set the direction in the list item.
> 
> I find it relatively clear.  The ::marker is a child of the <li>, so
> @dir on the <li> affects it, but @dir on a child of the <li> doesn't.

This is certainly true from a technical POV, but for me as an author it does not make sense if list markers switch positions inside a list. Treating markers as children of the <li> element might be sensible to make them accessible for styling and such things, but from a non-technical POV they rather look like being a property of the list than a child of the list item. I agree with Ambrose that it would be more intuitive for markers to behave consistently across the whole <ol> or <ul>.
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