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Re: Shadows vs. layout

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:42:07 -0500
Message-ID: <dd0fbad0908041142m5bc7a454lb6159f9686650228@mail.gmail.com>
To: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
Cc: David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>, David Perrell <davidp@hpaa.com>, W3C style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Brad Kemper<brad.kemper@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:17 AM, David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 10:27 AM, David Perrell wrote:
>>> Sidle up the Blinkin Scroll Bar, folks, have a round on me.
>>>
>>> http://hpaa.com/firefox/shadow.htm
>>>
>>> (Hoping to show the silliness of insistence that shadows are somehow more
>>> sacrosanct when they fall right and down.)
>>
>> Nobody is actually saying that.  Not showing a scrollbar for top/left
>> overflow (as has been said in previous messages) has nothing to do with the
>> type of overflow.
>
> The point is not that anyone misses having a scroll bar for top/left
> overflow, it is that no one misses having the clipped part of the shadow
> there, and also would not miss the clipped part of the shadow on the
> bottom/right. . Setting aside the historical reasons for not showing
> scrollbars for abs pos items in the negative too/left regions, what it is
> actually doing to shadows there is completely resonable and desired, and is
> no less desired for the bottom/right. Even if it is not truly an orthoganal
> cause for the effect, the effect of trimming the non-visual impact of
> layout-less decorations when they come to the edge that way is what we want
> on all four sides.

And that "we" includes me as well.  Brad summarizes my feelings admirably.

~TJ
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