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Re: Shadows vs. layout

From: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:36:38 -0700
Message-Id: <379859A0-3711-4092-BB16-AEF7C3C15A7C@gmail.com>
To: David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>
Cc: David Perrell <davidp@hpaa.com>, W3C style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>

On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:17 AM, David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com> wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2009, at 10:27 AM, David Perrell wrote:
>> Sidle up the Blinkin Scroll Bar, folks, have a round on me.
>> http://hpaa.com/firefox/shadow.htm
>> (Hoping to show the silliness of insistence that shadows are  
>> somehow more
>> sacrosanct when they fall right and down.)
> Nobody is actually saying that.  Not showing a scrollbar for top/ 
> left overflow (as has been said in previous messages) has nothing to  
> do with the type of overflow.

The point is not that anyone misses having a scroll bar for top/left  
overflow, it is that no one misses having the clipped part of the  
shadow there, and also would not miss the clipped part of the shadow  
on the bottom/right. . Setting aside the historical reasons for not  
showing scrollbars for abs pos items in the negative too/left regions,  
what it is actually doing to shadows there is completely resonable and  
desired, and is no less desired for the bottom/right. Even if it is  
not truly an orthoganal cause for the effect, the effect of trimming  
the non-visual impact of layout-less decorations when they come to the  
edge that way is what we want on all four sides. 
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