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Re: Percentage height meaurements.

From: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:44:31 -0500
Message-ID: <40B68B6F.3000709@mit.edu>
To: Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: www-style@w3.org

Tantek Çelik wrote:
> Hopefully there's a bug filed against Mozilla to fix the support, now that
> 'box-sizing' in a CR.

There is [1].

>>Further, what's described in the CSS3 UI CR has some conflicts with the CSS2.1
>>CR (conflicts with the spirit, not the letter) [1].
>>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2004May/0220.html
> 
> We implemented both box-sizing and min/max-width/height in MSN/MacOSX and
> did not encounter any such conflicts.  So I disagree.

Tantek, do you implement min/max-width/height for replaced elements as CSS2.1 
describes it?  And also box-sizing as CSS3 UI describes it?  If so, doesn't that 
lead to undesirable distortion of replaced elements, which is what CSS2.1 is 
trying so hard to avoid?

In other words, did you read the mail I cited?  I was assuming you had, but now 
I'm not so sure.

Again, note that I am not saying one cannot implement the letter of both specs 
as they stand now.  I'm just saying that doing so leads to highly undesirable 
behavior when the two specs interact.

> The examples of 'box-sizing' that I've tried in the two implementations do
> interoperate.

That's excellent news (though  the final determination will be made by the 
CSS2.1 test suite, once such a beast actually starts existing, of course).

> Based on what evidence?
> 
> Are you an author and have you done so and lost credibility?

No, and no.  But I know how _I_ would react to finding such a claim in book if 
the claim proved false.  I'd probably be very wary of any claims made by that 
author after that, and try to buy others' books as much as possible....

> Much *much* worse (obviously wrong) has been published by numerous
> "acclaimed" authors (some of whom you will even find on W3C lists, some may
> even be invited experts in one or more W3C working groups), and none of them
> have seen any sort of significant blow to their credibility, if any.

I find that very sad, actually.  :(

-Boris

[1] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243412
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