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Re: Percentage height meaurements.

From: Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:56:17 -0700
To: Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU>
Cc: <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BCDBDC40.46E8F%tantek@cs.stanford.edu>

On 5/27/04 5:44 PM, "Boris Zbarsky" <bzbarsky@MIT.EDU> wrote:

> 
> Tantek Çelik wrote:
>> Hopefully there's a bug filed against Mozilla to fix the support, now that
>> 'box-sizing' in a CR.
> 
> There is [1].
> [1] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243412
>
> 
>>> Further, what's described in the CSS3 UI CR has some conflicts with the
>>> CSS2.1
>>> CR (conflicts with the spirit, not the letter).
>>>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2004May/0220.html
>> 
>> We implemented both box-sizing and min/max-width/height in MSN/MacOSX and
>> did not encounter any such conflicts.  So I disagree.
> 
> Tantek, do you implement min/max-width/height for replaced elements as CSS2.1
> describes it?  And also box-sizing as CSS3 UI describes it?

Yes as far as I remember (it has been a few years since I wrote the code).


> If so, doesn't that
> lead to undesirable distortion of replaced elements,

I don't know, do you have an example that attempts to demonstrate this?


> Again, note that I am not saying one cannot implement the letter of both specs
> as they stand now.  I'm just saying that doing so leads to highly undesirable
> behavior when the two specs interact.
> 
>> The examples of 'box-sizing' that I've tried in the two implementations do
>> interoperate.
> 
> That's excellent news (though  the final determination will be made by the
> CSS2.1 test suite, once such a beast actually starts existing, of course).

Actually, the CSS3-UI test suite, once it starts existing, as you said.


>> Based on what evidence?
>> 
>> Are you an author and have you done so and lost credibility?
> 
> No, and no.  But I know how _I_ would react to finding such a claim in book if
> the claim proved false.  I'd probably be very wary of any claims made by that
> author after that, and try to buy others' books as much as possible....

I believe that would result in you buying almost no second books by the vast
majority of authors of web books.

Eric Meyer, Jeffrey Zeldman and Molly Holzschlag being notable exceptions.
Their works have been consistently high quality and have improved with time.


>> Much *much* worse (obviously wrong) has been published by numerous
>> "acclaimed" authors (some of whom you will even find on W3C lists, some may
>> even be invited experts in one or more W3C working groups), and none of them
>> have seen any sort of significant blow to their credibility, if any.
> 
> I find that very sad, actually.  :(

I find it *extremely* sad as well and frustrating to boot :(

Tantek
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