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Re: thoughts on non-compliant browsers

From: Mikko Rantalainen <mira@cc.jyu.fi>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 04:50:52 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <404D934E.6040300@cc.jyu.fi>
To: www-style@w3.org
Cc: Robert Koberg <rob@koberg.com>

Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>> The font zoom does not scale up the background-image.
> Yes, because it's a _font_ zoom.  It simply sets the equivalent 
> of !important font-size rules in the user stylesheet, like I 
> said.
> It seems that your only issue is that Mozilla implements a font 
> zoom, not a whole-page zoom (a la Opera).  That has nothing to do
> with CSS, however.

It seems that the ONLY issue is that CSS doesn't have a method to 
scale background images. This limits styles like the one the OP was 
using. If one could strech the background image to always fill the 
element it's background of, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I personally hate the way Opera scales the whole page. I can just 
use a magnification glass just ok, thank you. On the other hand, if 
  MY only problem is that the text is just too small, the it makes 
sense to scale only that, doesn't it? Again, we wouldn't have the 
font size issue at all, if the MSIE didn't f*ck up the whole picture 
by not providing a simple way to set *default font size*. And then 
some idiot decided that its factory default was "too large" and he 
thought that he must compensate for it as a document author.

>> a pixel is a pixel. it does not resize unless you change your 
>> resolution.
> I'm sorry, but that's not true in CSS.  For example, in CSS a 
> pixel resizes if you change your viewing distance.  I recommend 
> giving the CSS definition of pixel a read: 
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/syndata.html#pixel-units>.

Also, one could argue that a point (pt) is a point. Postscript 
defines one point as 1/72th of an inch. If somebody requests 12pt 
font for the page and the visitor is using jumbotron or front 
projection screen, should the text *really* be rendered with the 
size of 12/72th of an inch, or with something that has been 
*scaled*? How about if the page is viewed with hypothetical laptop 
with a 13" screen with the pixel count of 3000x2000 pixels. Wouldn't 
a 8px font look kind a small? Because the document author cannot 
know the final presentation medium, there's no point defining units 
that must not be scaled under any situation.

Or we *could* give the document authors the power to force some 
settings, but we've already seen that the document authors don't 
understand the responsibilities that come with such a power.

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