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RE: AAARGHHH! That really makes me upset!!!! RE: Standards Compli ance and msn

From: Peter Foti (PeterF) <PeterF@SystolicNetworks.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:17:00 -0400
Message-ID: <A10A983C9DFBD4119F0300104B2EA6B7086009@ZIPPY>
To: "'www-style@w3.org'" <www-style@w3.org>
Yes, but it's too bad that browsers like Netscape 6 are so darn slow.  I
use IE primarily because it's so much faster, and despite some flaws in
the way IE interprets some things, most pages still look better in IE
(IMO).  I was excited when Netscape 6 was supposed to be the most
compliant browser to date, but when I started using it, I saw a LOT of
bugs in it.  Not to mention that it takes a day and a half to load a
freakin' page!  

I've never used Opera so I can't comment on it.  :)

-Pete


> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Christian Wolfgang Hujer
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:42 AM
> To: Dylan Schiemann; www-style@w3.org; lamers@microsoft.com
> Subject: AAARGHHH! That really makes me upset!!!! RE: Standards
> Compliance and msn
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> >>Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be shown 
> to people
> using "browsers that we know don't support (W3C) standards or 
> that we can't
> insure will get a great experience for the customer." <<
> 
> That's making me upset!
> IE5.5 still interprets the box model in a wrong way.
> IE5.5 does not support the <abbr/>, <acronym/> and <q/> elements.
> There are thousands of more flaws.
> So it is MS who are not compliant with W3C, not the others.
> 
> Okay, I admit currently no browser is perfect. But 
> Mozilla.org's and Opera's
> implementations are much much closer to the W3C Recommendations.
> 
> And Opera clearly state what they do not support (parts of 
> the Tables Module
> like <thead/>, <tbody/>, <tfoot/>, <col/> and <colgroup/> 
> etc.), so it is
> easy for web designers to create sites that follow the 
> standard but work
> with Opera.
> 
> I often searched MSDN and several other resources from 
> Microsoft to find a
> list of features IE is missing. I could not find such a list. 
> But there are
> several lacks in the implementation, as stated above.
> 
> What MS cite was true 3 years ago, when IE4 was beating all 
> other windows
> browsers regarding standards-compatibility and stability. But 
> that headstart
> is gone now. Opera and Mozilla are far closer to the W3C 
> standards than IE.
> 
> Just my two cents
> 
> Christian
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]On
> > Behalf Of Dylan Schiemann
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:03 AM
> > To: www-style@w3.org
> > Subject: Standards Compliance and msn
> >
> >
> > Things like this:
> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7660935.html are
> > why Tantek and Chris often get such disrespect on this
> > list.
> >
> > "But, Visse warned, "the experience may be slightly
> > degraded simply because they don't support the
> > standards we support closely, as far as the HTML
> > standard in those browsers."
> >
> > Currently, using the most recent browser from
> > Mozilla.org to reach MSN.com brings a message from
> > Microsoft saying it has "detected that the browser
> > that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly."
> > Mozilla.org does open-source browser development for
> > AOL Time Warner's Netscape Communications unit.
> >
> > Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be
> > shown to people using "browsers that we know don't
> > support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will
> > get a great experience for the customer." W3C refers
> > to the World Wide Web Consortium, which is developing
> > industry standards for Web technologies.
> > "
> >
> > Here's a screenshot of the message:
> > http://www.dylanschiemann.com/images/msnRejectsMozilla.png
> > I'm really curious which standards mozilla and opera
> > supposedly don't support when msn doesn't even
> > validate correctly and is therefore not "standards
> > compliant":
> > http://www.dylanschiemann.com/examples/msnValidation.html
> > I know, this is probably off-topic, but it seemed
> > relevant in light of all the recent discussion about
> > building a fully css compliant browser.
> >
> > -Dylan Schiemann
> > http://www.sitepen.com/
> > http://www.dylanschiemann.com/
> >
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Received on Friday, 26 October 2001 11:18:01 GMT

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