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Re: AAARGHHH! That really makes me upset!!!! RE: Standards Compli ance and msn

From: Vadim Plessky <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:48:18 +0000
To: "Peter Foti (PeterF)" <PeterF@SystolicNetworks.com>, "'www-style@w3.org'" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20011026164033.4168F23E9E@hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru>
On Friday 26 October 2001 15:17, Peter Foti (PeterF) wrote:
|   Yes, but it's too bad that browsers like Netscape 6 are so darn slow.  I
|   use IE primarily because it's so much faster, and despite some flaws in

I use Konqueror [www.konqueror.org], as it is as fast as IE on startup, but 
doesn't crash so often and not so resource-hungry. Plus, font anti-aliasing 
in KDE2/QT2, using XFree86's RENDER extension, is superior to MS Windows (256 
shades of gray, instead of 5!)
Besides, it can nicely display http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/
while MS IE (win) can't! :-))

|   the way IE interprets some things, most pages still look better in IE
|   (IMO).  I was excited when Netscape 6 was supposed to be the most
|   compliant browser to date, but when I started using it, I saw a LOT of
|   bugs in it.  Not to mention that it takes a day and a half to load a
|   freakin' page!
|
|   I've never used Opera so I can't comment on it.  :)

Opera is fast! ;-)
It really worth trying.
I downloaded both Windows and Linux versions, Windows version is slightly 
better (can support Cyrillic, in Linux - not)

|
|   -Pete
|
|   > -----Original Message-----
|   > From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]On
|   > Behalf Of Christian Wolfgang Hujer
|   > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:42 AM
|   > To: Dylan Schiemann; www-style@w3.org; lamers@microsoft.com
|   > Subject: AAARGHHH! That really makes me upset!!!! RE: Standards
|   > Compliance and msn
|   >
|   >
|   > Hi.
|   >
|   > >>Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be shown
|   >
|   > to people
|   > using "browsers that we know don't support (W3C) standards or
|   > that we can't
|   > insure will get a great experience for the customer." <<
|   >
|   > That's making me upset!
|   > IE5.5 still interprets the box model in a wrong way.
|   > IE5.5 does not support the <abbr/>, <acronym/> and <q/> elements.
|   > There are thousands of more flaws.
|   > So it is MS who are not compliant with W3C, not the others.
|   >
|   > Okay, I admit currently no browser is perfect. But
|   > Mozilla.org's and Opera's
|   > implementations are much much closer to the W3C Recommendations.
|   >
|   > And Opera clearly state what they do not support (parts of
|   > the Tables Module
|   > like <thead/>, <tbody/>, <tfoot/>, <col/> and <colgroup/>
|   > etc.), so it is
|   > easy for web designers to create sites that follow the
|   > standard but work
|   > with Opera.
|   >
|   > I often searched MSDN and several other resources from
|   > Microsoft to find a
|   > list of features IE is missing. I could not find such a list.
|   > But there are
|   > several lacks in the implementation, as stated above.
|   >
|   > What MS cite was true 3 years ago, when IE4 was beating all
|   > other windows
|   > browsers regarding standards-compatibility and stability. But
|   > that headstart
|   > is gone now. Opera and Mozilla are far closer to the W3C
|   > standards than IE.
|   >
|   > Just my two cents
|   >
|   > Christian
|   >
|   > > -----Original Message-----
|   > > From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]On
|   > > Behalf Of Dylan Schiemann
|   > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:03 AM
|   > > To: www-style@w3.org
|   > > Subject: Standards Compliance and msn

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