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Re: Interaction with invisible elements

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:36:39 +0200
Message-ID: <3ABFC477.8B82B335@w3.org>
To: Eric Meyer <emeyer@theopalgroup.com>
CC: www-style@w3.org
better late than never  ....

Eric Meyer wrote:
> At 22:50 -0800 3/4/01, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >Mozilla treats elements that are 'visibility: hidden' as if they were not
> >available for user interaction because it is very bad UI to have invisible
> >elements react to the user. We decided that good UI was overall a better
> >aim than the few edge cases. ;-)

Please describe the operation of a client side imagemap, which as far as I
can see are a bunch of invisible shapes drawn on top of an image and
receiving events.

>     An interesting assertion.  Why is it bad UI?  I can think of at
> least a few cases where you might want to have invisible elements
> that can react to the user's input.


>     Actually, my investment in this issue is not to have invisible
> elements available for interaction (although I think that would be
> cool) so much as it is to get the specification clarified either in
> the CSS2 errata or in the appropriate module(s) of CSS3.  Just a
> single sentence is all I ask, really, which says whether or not
> invisible elements are available for interaction. 

Yes, they are.

> If they aren't,
> then add another sentence that defines the point at which semi-opaque
> elements become (un)available for interaction.

Exactly.... having invisible elements behaving differently from elements
that are effectively invisible (0.2% opacity) is just plain wierd. Ideally
the author should have control over this.

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