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Re: Minor error in CSS2, section 14.2; 'background'

From: gordon <gordon@quartz.gly.fsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:20:08 -0700
Message-ID: <000d01befd53$d8ca44c0$5c5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com>
To: "'www-style'" <www-style@w3.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: Braden N. McDaniel <braden@shadow.net>
To: gordon <gordon@quartz.gly.fsu.edu>; 'www-style' <www-style@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Minor error in CSS2, section 14.2; 'background'


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gordon <gordon@quartz.gly.fsu.edu>
> To: 'www-style' <www-style@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Minor error in CSS2, section 14.2; 'background'
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
> > To: gordon <gordon@quartz.gly.fsu.edu>
> > Cc: 'www-style' <www-style@w3.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 4:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Minor error in CSS2, section 14.2; 'background'
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > gordon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Easy enough.
> > > >
> > > > A document with style added to the html element:
> > > > http://gly.fsu.edu/~gordon/html.html
> > > >
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://gly.fsu.edu/~gordon/html.html
> > > >
> > > > The same document with the style attribute removed:
> > > > http://gly.fsu.edu/~gordon/html2.html
> > > >
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://gly.fsu.edu/~gordon/html2.html
> > > >
> > > > [please note that these are very simple documents!]
> > >
> > > But this is valid:
> > >
> > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
> > >
> >
>
"http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-html-in-xml-19990304/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.d
> > td">
> > > <?xml-stylesheet href="style-on-html.css"?>
> > > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/Profiles/xhtml1-transitional">
> > > <head>
> > > <title>html and style.</title>
> > > </head>
> > >
> > > <body>
> > >
> > > <p>
> > > Run this page through the W3C validator.
> > > The results will show how to put style on the html element.
> > > </p>
> > >
> > > </body>
> > > </html>
> > >
> > > where style-on-html.css has
> > >
> > > html { background-color:#806040 }
> > >
> > > Now its valid, and we can discuss whether background should apply to
> > > html or whether it only applies to its children, etc.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> > That will do.  The way that I see the basic form of an HTML document is
> that
> > the root node (html) is the wrapper for the [two] allowed child nodes
> which
> > are head and body.  The head node contains meta data that describes,
among
> > other things, the rendering of the body node contents (CSS) and
> interactions
> > with the user (scripting).  The body node contains the description of
the
> > parts of a document, where those descriptive parts are the various HTML
> > elements which contain the document [contents].
> >
> > Since the object to be rendered is contained within the body node, it is
> the
> > node to which CSS should be applied.  Were I writing a UA, the body node
> and
> > the canvas would be equivalent as the html node has historically not
been
> > rendered.
>
> If the HTML node had "historically not been rendered", we would not be
able
> to see HTML documents in browsers! The BODY and HEAD nodes are children of
> the HTML node. Thus, if the HTML node is not rendered, by definition one
> would not be able to see its children.


This is downright silly as it asserts that one faces an all-or-nothing
scenario in which case one would also render the head node as well.


>
> Importantly, the UA you describe would not conform to W3C Recommendations,
> since that is not what they specify.


"The body of a document contains the document's content. The content may be
presented by a user agent in a variety of ways. For example, for visual
browsers, you can think of the body as a canvas where the content appears:
text, images, colors, graphics, etc. "

Sound familiar?  It should, since it's from 7.5.1 The BODY element, HTML 4.0
Specification W3C Recommendation 18-Dec-1997.


> --
> Braden N. McDaniel
> braden@endoframe.com
> <URL:http://www.endoframe.com>
>
>
>
Received on Sunday, 12 September 1999 15:20:18 GMT

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