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OOPS....QA WG teleconf 2003-12-18

From: Lynne Rosenthal <lynne.rosenthal@nist.gov>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:32:57 -0500
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To: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>, www-qa-wg@w3.org

Disregard my last email.  I hit send by mistake, before I wrote anything.


At 04:49 PM 12/18/2003, Karl Dubost wrote:

>QA Working Group Teleconference
>Thursday, 18 December 2003
>Scribe: Karl
>(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
>(dd) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
>(KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair)
>(DH) Dominique HazaŽl-Massieux (W3C)
>(LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair)
>(SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST)
>(LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair)
>(MS) Mark Skall (NIST)
>(DM) David Marston
>(MC) Martin Chamberlain (Microsoft)
>(AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group)
>(VV) Vanitha Venkatraman (Sun Microsystems)
>Summary of New Action Items: No new action item
>Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/
>Previous Telcon Minutes: http://www.w3.org/mid/3FD52929.7070804@sun.com
>2.) Any routine business
>         * WWW 2004
>         David Marston is giving an update on the WWW2004 conference.
>     * anything about future telecon agendas?
>         Next telconf the 5th of January.
>         * anyone answering Jeremy Caroll?
>         Abstract: Jeremy Carroll send a mail saying that
>                 we were planing to have test materials in the
>                 charter but he didn't find what he was looking
>                 for. He has been decided to show him the Spec
>                 Test Assertions that we are reviewing, and to
>                 ask him clarification
>         Log:
>         Lofton: Karl, Will you follow-up with this?
>         Mark: what is he asking exactly?
>         Karl: I will ask for clarifications.
>         Mark: Tell him that we have Test assertions.
>         Lofton: We pledged test materials at each major milestones of our 
> documents and we don't have.  We will be seen reasonnable if we are 
> producing test materials for the CR.
>         Karl: I agree with Lofton, but we have to find the resources for 
> Test Materials.
>         Patrick: We have to first have test assertions.
>         Mark: We can probably create a crude TS.
>         Lofton: The TS could be a questionnaire and you fill it.
>         Mark: it can be the test assertions with another format and 
> qualifying words. We need more details on the conformance requirements to 
> automatically generate tests.
>         Lofton: We have said in the charter that we will produce the test 
> for each milestones.
>         Karl: Will the people be happy with making each of them Test cases?
>         Mark: Put it away until the end of the call.
>         Lofton: Should we put away that on 26th January
>         Karl: when will we finished Test Assertions?
>         Mark: At the end of this teleconf and/or in the next few days
>         Karl: So I propose that at this end of the telconf we take one 
> test assertion, and try to design a test case for it, and see how it works.
>         Lofton: What do we do for Ops GL?
>         Patrick: Let's do that after the experience of this today exercise.
>3.) TA list for SpecGL
>         Abstract: Mark Skall has sent [2] the test assertions for Spec 
> Guidelines. The QA working group has started the review of these Test 
> Assertions to identify ambiguities and concordance with the conformance 
> requirements in the specifications.  We haven't finished and will 
> continue on the next call the 22nd of Decembre.
>[Scribe has a very poor record of the discussion which were very 
>technical. Proposition of organization for the next call to help the scribe.
>         1. CP Number
>                 Someone announces the CP number of the Test Assertions
>         2. Issue
>                 He/She defines the issue with one clear sentence.
>         3. Discussion
>                 People discuss about it clearly
>         4. Decision
>                 The person express one or more resolutions that the 
> scribe can write clearly.
>[*** A lot of missed discussions ***]
>         Number: CP 2.2
>         Issue: Dependance of the execution 2.1
>         Decision: to reword the Conformance Requirements and the test 
> assertions to s/in CP 2.1/in the specification/
>         Number: CP 2.3:
>         Issue: Missing the second MUST of the conformance req.
>         Decision: Reformulate the test assertion accordingly to the 
> missing MUST
>         Number: CP 2.4
>         Issue: other dimensions seems too general and might confuse people.
>         Decision: s/other dimensions/other dimensions that are used/
>Karl: I recommend we start now the work of Test Assertions and Test 
>Materials for the Test GL to avoid what we are doing now, that could have 
>been achieved earlier.
>4.) Adjourn
>Next Telconf: Monday 22th.
>                 Only dedicated to this discussion.
>Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
>W3C Conformance Manager
>*** Be Strict To Be Cool ***
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