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[Draft] Minutes of QA WG teleconf 2003-12-18

From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:07 -0500
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QA Working Group Teleconference
Thursday, 18 December 2003
Scribe: Karl

(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
(dd) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
(KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair)
(DH) Dominique HazaŽl-Massieux (W3C)
(LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair)
(SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST)
(LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair)
(MS) Mark Skall (NIST)
(DM) David Marston

(MC) Martin Chamberlain (Microsoft)
(AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group)
(VV) Vanitha Venkatraman (Sun Microsystems)


Summary of New Action Items: No new action item


Previous Telcon Minutes: http://www.w3.org/mid/3FD52929.7070804@sun.com


2.) Any routine business
	* WWW 2004
	David Marston is giving an update on the WWW2004 conference.

††††* anything about future telecon agendas?
	Next telconf the 5th of January.

	* anyone answering Jeremy Caroll?
	Abstract: Jeremy Carroll send a mail saying that
		we were planing to have test materials in the
		charter but he didn't find what he was looking
		for. He has been decided to show him the Spec
		Test Assertions that we are reviewing, and to
		ask him clarification

	Lofton: Karl, Will you follow-up with this?
	Mark: what is he asking exactly?
	Karl: I will ask for clarifications.
	Mark: Tell him that we have Test assertions.
	Lofton: We pledged test materials at each major milestones of our 
documents and we don't have.  We will be seen reasonnable if we are 
producing test materials for the CR.
	Karl: I agree with Lofton, but we have to find the resources for Test 
	Patrick: We have to first have test assertions.
	Mark: We can probably create a crude TS.
	Lofton: The TS could be a questionnaire and you fill it.
	Mark: it can be the test assertions with another format and qualifying 
words. We need more details on the conformance requirements to 
automatically generate tests.
	Lofton: We have said in the charter that we will produce the test for 
each milestones.
	Karl: Will the people be happy with making each of them Test cases?
	Mark: Put it away until the end of the call.
	Lofton: Should we put away that on 26th January
	Karl: when will we finished Test Assertions?
	Mark: At the end of this teleconf and/or in the next few days
	Karl: So I propose that at this end of the telconf we take one test 
assertion, and try to design a test case for it, and see how it works.
	Lofton: What do we do for Ops GL?
	Patrick: Let's do that after the experience of this today exercise.

3.) TA list for SpecGL

	Abstract: Mark Skall has sent [2] the test assertions for Spec 
Guidelines. The QA working group has started the review of these Test 
Assertions to identify ambiguities and concordance with the conformance 
requirements in the specifications.  We haven't finished and will 
continue on the next call the 22nd of Decembre.

[Scribe has a very poor record of the discussion which were very 
technical. Proposition of organization for the next call to help the 
	1. CP Number
		Someone announces the CP number of the Test Assertions
	2. Issue
		He/She defines the issue with one clear sentence.
	3. Discussion
		People discuss about it clearly
	4. Decision
		The person express one or more resolutions that the scribe can write 

[*** A lot of missed discussions ***]

	Number: CP 2.2
	Issue: Dependance of the execution 2.1
	Decision: to reword the Conformance Requirements and the test 
assertions to s/in CP 2.1/in the specification/

	Number: CP 2.3:
	Issue: Missing the second MUST of the conformance req.
	Decision: Reformulate the test assertion accordingly to the missing 

	Number: CP 2.4
	Issue: other dimensions seems too general and might confuse people.
	Decision: s/other dimensions/other dimensions that are used/

Karl: I recommend we start now the work of Test Assertions and Test 
Materials for the Test GL to avoid what we are doing now, that could 
have been achieved earlier.
4.) Adjourn

Next Telconf: Monday 22th.	
		Only dedicated to this discussion.

Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
*** Be Strict To Be Cool ***
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