Re: Ideographic Space, word-spacing, and justification

Hi, Erica,

In Japanese Layout, "spacing issue" is one of the most difficult issues to
treat.
We intended to carefully eliminate concrete character name like IDEOGRAPHIC
SPACE(U+3000) and SPACE(U+0002) from our requirement. Rather introduced
three different types of abstract space concepts as follows:

inter character space: usulal 1/2 em fixed space.
conditional space: 1/2 em fixed space to be inserted or pulled off between
characters and punctuation marks.
adjustable space: variable width space, behaves like usual western variable
space.

Note that, usual Japanese punctuation marks have 1/2 em width in our
requirement, even if the character name might include "FULLWIDTH ~~~"

Anyway, the disition how to deal with these spaces in CSS recommendation and
in actual implementation is up to your side:-)

regards,
Tatsuo

2008/10/30 Steve Deach <sdeach@adobe.com>

>
> No, in my personal opinion, it should not.
> The 2 differences between normal space/nbsp vs ideographic space are:
>  1.) The normal width is different, and
>  2.) The normal space/nbsp is treated as justifying
>      (adjusted by both wordspacing and letterspacing),
>      whereas the Ideographic space should only be adjusted by
>      letterspacing (only if ideographic letters are also so adjusted).
>
> However, I will re-confirm this with our CJK experts, before claiming this
> is an Adobe opinion.
>
>
>
> On 2008.10.29 15:13, "fantasai" <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > The CSSWG would like to know whether the IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE U+3000
> > should be affected by 'word-spacing', and whether it should be
> > treated as a space during spaces-only justification or treated as
> > a typical ideographic punctuation character.
> >
> > ~fantasai
> >
>
>
>
>


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Scholex Co., Ltd. Yokohama
JUSTSYSTEM Digital Culture Research Center