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RE: W3C I18N Group recharters: Input invited

From: Addison Phillips [wM] <aphillips@webmethods.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:50:50 -0700
To: "Bjoern Hoehrmann" <derhoermi@gmx.net>, "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
Message-ID: <PNEHIBAMBMLHDMJDDFLHOENAIEAA.aphillips@webmethods.com>

Hi Bjoern,

Thanks for the comments. I'm sure Martin will repair the IG link shortly.

With regard to the Core WG draft charter, you're right that the mailing list stuff needs to be clarified. The intention is to have all of the materials and proceedings of the Working Group be public, including the mailing lists, with one exception: we will have a mailing list that is member-only solely for the purpose of discussing reviews of member confidential materials and that mailing list's archive will likewise be restricted. We've considered going the TAG route and just making everything public and warning groups that we only do reviews on published materials (and hence public materials), as well as reminding groups that joint meetings/discussions/etc. with us are public.

Note that currently the core task force is member-confidential. Many of us feel that because this is not inclusive it is a hindrance to participation in our work: we can leverage the community better.

I'll let Richard comment on the GEO charter.

Best Regards,

Addison

Addison P. Phillips
Director, Globalization Architecture
webMethods | Delivering Global Business Visibility
http://www.webMethods.com
Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
http://www.w3.org/International

Internationalization is an architecture. 
It is not a feature.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Bjoern Hoehrmann
> Sent: 2004年7月13日 20:49
> To: Richard Ishida
> Cc: www-international@w3.org
> Subject: Re: W3C I18N Group recharters: Input invited
> 
> 
> 
> * Richard Ishida wrote:
> >Proposed Draft Core Charter: 
> http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/core-charter.html
> 
> This links to
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/IG-charter
> 
> which returns status 300 and refers to
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/ig-charter.html
> 
> which is apparently team-only. I have comments on these charters, but
> I would first like to know whether you intend to make the IG charter
> proposal public.
> 
> At a first glance, I am confused by the Confidentiality section of the
> Core WG charter which seems contradictory, it states
> 
> [...]
>   The work of this Working Group is public, although exceptions will be
>   made for specification review of member confidential material, with
>   exceptions made by the Chair with the Working Group's agreement.
>   (Non-public reviews are generally rare, since most specifications are
>   published working drafts and thus public). However, to ensure that
>   member confidentiality is preserved where necessary, the WG mailing
>   list archive will be accessible by members and invited experts only.
> [...]
> 
> The last sentence clearly states that all proceedings of the Working
> Group will be member-confidential except when W3C Process requires that
> information is made publicly available, such as reviews of Technical
> Reports. If that is the intention, the text is at least very misleading
> as e.g. the TAG charter or the QA WG charter require far more
> information be publicly available than the proposed charter. So what is
> the intention here?
> 
> >Proposed Draft GEO Charter: 
http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/geo-charter.html

It states

[...]
  www-international@w3.org: TIn line with W3C's general commitment to
  openness, technical discussions that are not member-confidential will
  be carried out on the public mailing list www-international@w3.org.
  Members of this WG will be automatically subscribed to
  www-international@w3.org. 
[...]
  The work of this WG (except for public discussions carried out on
  www-international@w3.org) is covered by the W3C member confidentiality
  agreement. In particular, the WG mailing list archive is accessible by
  members and invited experts only. 
[...]

It is again not clear to me what you mean here. So far, the proceedings
of the I18N GEO Task Force were publicly available through the public
public-i18n-geo@w3.org mailing list. The charter now suggests to some
extend that you intend to use www-international as Working Group mailing
list and only use the new w3c-i18n-geo@w3.org (or member-i18n-geo@w3.org
which seems more likely) for member-confidential discussions. Or you
want to make all proceedings of group member-confidential and sometimes
post to www-international@w3.org as you see fit. So what do you mean
here exactly?

In either case, could you please explain in detail how it will
contribute to the success of the proposed Working Group to make
the group less public than it was before as a task force?

regards.
Received on Wednesday, 14 July 2004 07:53:12 GMT

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