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Re: W3C I18N Group recharters: Input invited

From: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:48:31 +0200
To: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
Message-ID: <41b5a1e5.1986253751@smtp.bjoern.hoehrmann.de>

* Richard Ishida wrote:
>Proposed Draft Core Charter: http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/core-charter.html

This links to

  http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/IG-charter

which returns status 300 and refers to

  http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/ig-charter.html

which is apparently team-only. I have comments on these charters, but
I would first like to know whether you intend to make the IG charter
proposal public.

At a first glance, I am confused by the Confidentiality section of the
Core WG charter which seems contradictory, it states

[...]
  The work of this Working Group is public, although exceptions will be
  made for specification review of member confidential material, with
  exceptions made by the Chair with the Working Group's agreement.
  (Non-public reviews are generally rare, since most specifications are
  published working drafts and thus public). However, to ensure that
  member confidentiality is preserved where necessary, the WG mailing
  list archive will be accessible by members and invited experts only.
[...]

The last sentence clearly states that all proceedings of the Working
Group will be member-confidential except when W3C Process requires that
information is made publicly available, such as reviews of Technical
Reports. If that is the intention, the text is at least very misleading
as e.g. the TAG charter or the QA WG charter require far more
information be publicly available than the proposed charter. So what is
the intention here?

>Proposed Draft GEO Charter: http://www.w3.org/2004/06/i18n-recharter/geo-charter.html

It states

[...]
  www-international@w3.org: TIn line with W3C's general commitment to
  openness, technical discussions that are not member-confidential will
  be carried out on the public mailing list www-international@w3.org.
  Members of this WG will be automatically subscribed to
  www-international@w3.org. 
[...]
  The work of this WG (except for public discussions carried out on
  www-international@w3.org) is covered by the W3C member confidentiality
  agreement. In particular, the WG mailing list archive is accessible by
  members and invited experts only. 
[...]

It is again not clear to me what you mean here. So far, the proceedings
of the I18N GEO Task Force were publicly available through the public
public-i18n-geo@w3.org mailing list. The charter now suggests to some
extend that you intend to use www-international as Working Group mailing
list and only use the new w3c-i18n-geo@w3.org (or member-i18n-geo@w3.org
which seems more likely) for member-confidential discussions. Or you
want to make all proceedings of group member-confidential and sometimes
post to www-international@w3.org as you see fit. So what do you mean
here exactly?

In either case, could you please explain in detail how it will
contribute to the success of the proposed Working Group to make
the group less public than it was before as a task force?

regards.
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