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Re: About XHTML 2.0

From: Christian Johansen <chrisjo@student.matnat.uio.no>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:29:45 +0200
Message-ID: <4291A289.4040602@ifi.uio.no>
To: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@x-port.net>
CC: 'Orion Adrian' <orion.adrian@gmail.com>, www-html@w3.org

Mark Birbeck wrote:

>Orion,
>
>  
>
>>Above you're using CSS to create semantic meaning using presentation.
>>
>>So how would you represent a light seperator without CSS in a 
>>user agent that doesn't support it? How would you represent 
>>it to a blind user?
>>    
>>
>
>I completely agree with you. A good example of the use of <separator> is
>within the new navigation lists:
>
>  <nl>
>    <label />
>    <li />
>    <li />
>    <separator />
>    <li />
>  </nl>
>
>A sighted user is quite used to the extra help that horizontal lines in
>menus give them, as a way of keeping one set of options apart from another.
>Simply using a CSS border to separate the groups would not actually be
>semantically correct, since there *really is* a logical separation of the
>items, rather than just a presentational separation. (And the logical
>separation is not so strong that we could use two navigational lists.)
>
>As you rightly point out, <separator> now allows us to provide the same
>'clues' to blind users.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark
>
>
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I agree with your argumentation of the usage of separators in for 
instance a navigation list. But, in your example here I think it would 
be more appropriate with some kind of grouping structure.

  <nl>
    <label />
    <linkgroup>
      <li />
      <li />
    </linkgroup>
    <linkgroup>
      <li />
    </linkgroup>
  </nl>

Or you could use two lists, if the items are unrelated.

Christian
Received on Monday, 23 May 2005 09:29:53 UTC

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