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Re: XHTML2: Proposal for total separation of semantics from structure

From: Laurens Holst <lholst@students.cs.uu.nl>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:49:00 +0200
Message-ID: <43156EFC.5010703@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: www-html@w3.org

Christoph Päper schreef:
> Laurens Holst:
>> Christoph Päper schreef:
>>> I disagree, for element names should carry the main semantics,
>>>   <"some parent with only block children allowed">
>>>     <code class="pre"/>
>> I disagree with that, class doesn’t convey any semantic information,
> How would you know it didn't in that hypothetic (though HTML inspired) 
> language of mine? Anyhow, I considered the code being preformatted 
> rather presentational in this example.

This is www-html, and the discussion is about XHTML :). It is of course 
true that whether the preformatting is presentational or not of course 
depends on the content (and thus the content author’s judgement in that 

However, preformatting is not just indenting, it also concerns the 
newlines. Do you mean to mark up those with <l>, or do you also depend 
on the ‘pre’ class to handle them? In languages such as Basic and 
JavaScript, the location and presence of newlines change the functioning 
of the program.

And even in other languages where newlines are of less importance, such 
as XML and C-syntax languages (with { } and ;), the absence them 
severely harms readability of the code. So, I certainly consider the 
preformatting to be significant and relied upon, which must be marked up 
semantically so that the code fragments can be represented appropriately 
even when the UA reading the XHTML doesn’t support CSS.

> In HTML |class| does not have no semantics, but just no defined, 
> explicit semantics.

So it has none.


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