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RE: [newsml] Labels

From: Paul Harman <paul.harman@pa.press.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:12:10 +0000
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Cc: www-html@w3.org




From: Misha Wolf [mailto:misha.wolf@reuters.com]
> I keep coming back to the idea of putting the plain-text version in 
> an attribute, eg:
> 
> <label mode="rich" text="Something or other with no markup">
>     Something or other with markup
> </label>
> 
> This wouldn't add much bloat.
> 
> It is, of course, a total no-no from an I18N PoV as I18N, in the 
> general case, needs markup, eg for direction change, language 
> change, and ruby.  On the other hand, those who don't want markup 
> presumably don't care about these issues :-)

I can only see that being useful if label was allowed to be an empty
element, so those who don't want markup (or non-Roman strings) could just
use the attribute. But the downside of /that/ is that attributes should be
kept for systems use, and element contents for human/display use....

I guess it really depends on one's definition of "plain" };*) Is it a bad
thing to perpetuate the special case for Roman languages, and require
non-Roman languages to use the complex Newslines?

> Re the content approach, our main use of markup is in (1) the 
> headline (by which I mean the headline that is outside the content, 
> not a headline embedded in textual content) and (2) in a newsline 
> that explains why a correction has been issued and what the changes 
> are.  Both of these need to be outside the content.

Regarding 2, I see what you mean: being able to mark up the changes in an
editorial notes field could be very useful. I think that's a generic enough
requirement though to be pushed out of Newslines and into some other
(arguably more appropriate) area, though... ISTR NewsMLv1 having a
"Comments" field precisely for this type of information.

It would be good if markup-for-changes could be handled in a generic way
across all providers: and perhaps the mechanism used could be added
to/allowed within all IPTC standards (thinking especially of NITF).

> There is also the question of the byline: We haven't decided how to 
> handle it, but want to show email and IM addresses.  Both of these 
> should use markup.  Now one way of doing this is to refer from the 
> byline to a Person topic-item (once we have such things), but that 
> reference itself requires markup.

This comes back to something I was thinking about earlier and perhaps failed
to adequately convey. Perhaps the <byline> element could carry an idref,
referring to the Duid (or similar) of a <person> element in the
AdministrativeMetadata...? But that wouldn't work very well for items with
multiple authors... :*(

	Paul


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