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Re: [newsml] Labels

From: Takahiro FUJIWARA <fujiwat@est.co.jp>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:28:15 +0000
Message-ID: <04d901c4c8bb$6087f960$0303a8c0@est.co.jp>
To: <newsml@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <www-html@w3.org>

The first approach of (text="......") sound interesting. But (mode=rich)
makes complex, I think.

By the way I realized there are 2 meanings of word "content" on recent

1) The meaning of "content" in NewsML1 is: all kind of stuff that includes
representations.  So NewsML1 user used to create another NewsComponent for
enriched headline and put it into DataContent.  I and maybe many of the
people who do not wanted enriched label (newsline) thought this.

2) The meaning of "content" in Misha's email is: general meaning of content.
Thus Misha wants to insert enriched headline into label (newslines).

Is that mean the concept of NewsML2 goes to other way?

The problem of complex comes from nested NewsComponent will be solved by new
mechanism.  Then I think 1) is easy to handle enriched headline.

Takahiro Fujiwara

EAST Co., Ltd. Japan

IPTC Member

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Misha Wolf" <misha.wolf@reuters.com>
To: <newsml@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <www-html@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [newsml] Labels

I keep coming back to the idea of putting the plain-text version in
an attribute, eg:

<label mode="rich" text="Something or other with no markup">
    Something or other with markup

This wouldn't add much bloat.

It is, of course, a total no-no from an I18N PoV as I18N, in the
general case, needs markup, eg for direction change, language
change, and ruby.  On the other hand, those who don't want markup
presumably don't care about these issues :-)

If that got a thumbs down, another option would be something like:

<label mode="rich">
  <plain>Something or other with no markup</plain>
  <rich>Something or other with markup</rich>

Re the content approach, our main use of markup is in (1) the
headline (by which I mean the headline that is outside the content,
not a headline embedded in textual content) and (2) in a newsline
that explains why a correction has been issued and what the changes
are.  Both of these need to be outside the content.

There is also the question of the byline: We haven't decided how to
handle it, but want to show email and IM addresses.  Both of these
should use markup.  Now one way of doing this is to refer from the
byline to a Person topic-item (once we have such things), but that
reference itself requires markup.

Misha Wolf
Standards Manager
Product and Platform Architecture Group

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Harman [mailto:paul.harman@pa.press.net]
Sent: 12 November 2004 11:34
To: 'newsml@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [newsml] Labels

From: Misha Wolf [mailto:misha.wolf@reuters.com]
> I do believe that I made absolutely clear that I have no objection
> to newslines/labels with no markup for those who want to use them,
> so long as those of us who need some markup can have newslines/
> labels with basic markup.

Yes, you did. There's no easy or clean solution to that, though. I don't
like the idea of duplicating newslines so there's a plain text and a
up version... NewsML is bloated enough as it is };*)

What did you think of Jo's suggestion: that marked-up "newslines" aren't
actually newslines but content (presumably either the main content or an
associated 'newscomponent' thereof)? Presumably you have already
that. I suppose the disadvantage of pushing this back into the content
that it becomes content-specific, rather than living at the generic
media-neutral level in NewsML.

> I also stated quite clearly that I would
> be perfectly content for the processing of markup in newlines/labels
> to be optional (in NewsML 1.x it is, of course, mandatory).

But it can't be optional, can it: if it's permitted, then consumers of
NewsML need to know how to ignore markup they don't want or can't


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