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Re: <NOBR> - Returning to the question ( 2 )

From: Jukka K. Korpela <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:01:02 +0200 (EET)
To: www-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402280750090.28980@korppi.cs.tut.fi>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Rimantas Liubertas wrote:

> <...>
> M> Perceive that difficultly a content within a <NOBR>
> M> would be, suddently, removed from there -- if a certain content was inserted
> M> within a <NOBR> tag, it's because such content, effectively, require no
> M> wrapping. Consequently, the behavior of the <NOBR> is eminetly structural
> M> ( HTML ), it is not, merely, "formatational" ( CCS ).
> <...>
> Sorry, I do not get how can you see wrapping as not "formatational".

I guess it meant "presentational".

> What meaning does it get say in aural media?

Maybe 'no break'? For example, if a speech browser is set to read very
slowly (maybe because the user has a cognitive disabilities), the browser
could treat <nobr> as indicating that the words inside it belong together,
so no prolonged pauses should occur inside it.

> Other elements say you something about content - is it heading, list,
> paragraph or maybe quote.

In Strict, you mean? Though even in Strict, <span>, <div>, <script>,
<noscript>, <pre> and <br> and a few others are under some suspicion.

> <nobr> says you nothing - except that this
> line/piece of text should not wrap when presented in visual media.

Well, I don't deny that such usage is the real reason for <nobr>, though
some good reasons could be given too. In some cases, <nobr> corresponds to
very close structural connection between "words", such as in
<nobr>500 000</nobr> (in languages and practices that use a space as a
thousands separator) or in <nobr>%20</code> (when discussing URL encoding
for example) or in <nobr>-1</nobr>. But for the most of it, it is needed
because it is the only effective weapon against line breaking rules that
browsers actually apply. Other weapons typically hurt the innocent.

Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Received on Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:01:04 UTC

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