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Re: vague thought - grid tag

From: Lachlan Hunt <lhunt07@netscape.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:12:15 +1100
Message-ID: <3FD0BC6F.6070008@netscape.net>
To: sb@stephenbrooks.org
Cc: www-html@w3.org

sb@stephenbrooks.org wrote:

> To clarify what I was trying to say, I wasn't really advocating the use of
> such a thing for trivial presentational layout like putting a menu to the
> side of a document rather than at the top, or various frame things.

  Well what do you think would happen with most tag-soup authors?  once 
they get hold of something even remotely presentational like <grid> 
would be, it'll be abused as much as possible.

> ...diagram-like or equation-like content... it looks like SVG could be 
> better for it, not HTML.

  That's right!  SVG is exactly what you should use, however, images 
with appropriate @alt text and maybe a @longdesc as is currently 
available and maybe providing some additional text based equivialent in 
a paragraph like the follwing will solve your problem:
  <!-- SVG in Here -->
  <img src="img" alt="image desc" style="height:20px;width:40px;" />
  <p class="summary">image summary...</p>

  MathML should be used for equations.  You could also include an image 
showing the equation, with appropriate @alt text describing in the best 
possible way using just text.
  eg.  <img src="sqrtx" alt="Square Root of X"/> before, after, or if 
possible, within the MathML markup.

> It's just that impatient people (like me) who can't wait for SVG 
> support sometimes abuse the HTML table tag since at present it gives 
> 2D layout without paying a price in backwards (below IE 7??) 
> compatibility.

  if you have structured your document well with XHTML, and used other 
appropriate markup such as SVG or MathML and provided substitutes, it 
shouldn't matter that a UA doesn't support the latest technologies.

  You need to learn to make do with whats available without resorting to 
abusing the system, which usually results in other problems.

Received on Friday, 5 December 2003 12:14:27 UTC

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