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RE: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin element s)

From: Charles F. Munat <chas@munat.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:26:09 -0800
To: "'Daniel Hiester'" <alatus@earthlink.net>, "'www-html'" <www-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <005c01c065fb$55106b70$0100a8c0@aries>
I haven't had any serious problems with Netscape 6 at all, so this is
depressing news. Have others had similar experiences? Could Netscape be
persuaded to fix the problems quickly before too many people download it?
Just because things don't work perfectly doesn't mean we should have to wait
for version 7 for a fix. 6.1 could do it.

Then again, I'm more worried that IE 6 will go the wrong direction.

Can you provide more specific examples? How can I crash NS6? What causes it
to behave poorly?

(BTW, you're quoting me, not Daniel Koger.)

Charles Munat,
Seattle


-----Original Message-----
From: www-html-request@w3.org [mailto:www-html-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of
Daniel Hiester
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:06 AM
To: www-html
Subject: Re: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin element
s)


Daniel Koger said:
"Furthermore, we should be educating Web users about the importance of
standards compliance and encouraging them to switch to standards-compliant
browsers, the best of which currently is Netscape 6."
I respond:
Heh. Sounds like a lot of the talk I used to hear way back when in the WSP
list. Here's what I say: DON'T educate users about the importance of web
standards, promoting Netscape 6, just yet. Netscape took a fool-proof plan
and proved that fool-proof and AOL-proof are two completely different
things. Netscape 6 is one of the most horrible browsers I've ever seen: even
the IE4 betas were more stable than that (in my experience). If you tell
people that the best standards-compliant web browser is Netscape 6, they
will give up on standards after Netscape 6 systematically crashes every
application on their system a certain amount of times (which was just once
for me), at that point, w3c's specs will mean little, unless we finally get
xhtml to be parsed as xml by the big-name UA's.
Strong support for the w3c's specs is still in the "coming things" category,
as should be Netscape 6. I really wish this weren't true: Mozilla's nightly
builds are pretty good, if you pick the right build. (go to
www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/ to find out which builds are strong).
Opera is at least stable, but its table rendering seems too quirky, rending
many websites poorly. Again, I wish I had better things to say of both
Netscape 6 and Opera 5, because I really want to love both browsers, but I
honestly can't say that they are browsers that common people should use.
Unfortunately, the question remains, when do we get to the point where we
can finally use the w3c's specs?
Just my two cents.
Daniel
Received on Thursday, 14 December 2000 13:24:47 GMT

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