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Re: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin element s)

From: Daniel Hiester <alatus@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:06:28 -0800
Message-ID: <006001c065df$70abe600$012eb3d1@sol>
To: "www-html" <www-html@w3.org>
RE: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here! (was: RE: margin elements)Daniel Koger said:

"Furthermore, we should be educating Web users about the importance of 
standards compliance and encouraging them to switch to standards-compliant 
browsers, the best of which currently is Netscape 6."

I respond:

Heh. Sounds like a lot of the talk I used to hear way back when in the WSP list. Here's what I say: DON'T educate users about the importance of web standards, promoting Netscape 6, just yet. Netscape took a fool-proof plan and proved that fool-proof and AOL-proof are two completely different things. Netscape 6 is one of the most horrible browsers I've ever seen: even the IE4 betas were more stable than that (in my experience). If you tell people that the best standards-compliant web browser is Netscape 6, they will give up on standards after Netscape 6 systematically crashes every application on their system a certain amount of times (which was just once for me), at that point, w3c's specs will mean little, unless we finally get xhtml to be parsed as xml by the big-name UA's.

Strong support for the w3c's specs is still in the "coming things" category, as should be Netscape 6. I really wish this weren't true: Mozilla's nightly builds are pretty good, if you pick the right build. (go to www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/ to find out which builds are strong). Opera is at least stable, but its table rendering seems too quirky, rending many websites poorly. Again, I wish I had better things to say of both Netscape 6 and Opera 5, because I really want to love both browsers, but I honestly can't say that they are browsers that common people should use. Unfortunately, the question remains, when do we get to the point where we can finally use the w3c's specs?

Just my two cents.

Daniel
Received on Thursday, 14 December 2000 10:02:13 GMT

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