Re: color: NCSA Mosaic, Netscape, and HTML3

Mike Batchelor (mikebat@clark.net)
Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:43:37 -0400 (EDT)


From: Mike Batchelor <mikebat@clark.net>
Message-Id: <199507190143.VAA12081@clark.net>
Subject: Re: color: NCSA Mosaic, Netscape, and HTML3
To: www-html@www10.w3.org
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: www-style@www10.w3.org
In-Reply-To: <9507181243.ZM29294@strumpet.mcom.com> from "Lou Montulli" at Jul 18, 95 12:43:45 pm

Lou Montulli once wrote...
> 
> >
> > I don't have a problem with NCSA implementing the Netscape <body>
> > attributes in the new WinMosaic.  I have a problem with them documenting
> > them as being part of HTML v3.0, when they clearly are not.  NCSA is
> > considered an authority by many people on things to do with the WWW.  It's
> > unfortunate enough that Netscape is disseminating mis-information to
> > bolster its bottom line, at the expense of the Web as a whole.  That NCSA
>                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^
> > is contributing to the trend of fragmenting the Web into vendor-specific
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > ghettos is doubly unfortunate.  I just wrote them a note pointing out the
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > error, and kindly asking them to correct it to reflect the true status of
> > the HTML v3 DTD.
> >
> If multiple vendors are supporting these BODY tags then they
> are obviously not vendor-specific.  Perhaps they are just a
> good idea that should be added to the HTML 3 spec?
> 
> :lou
> --
> Lou Montulli                 http://www.mcom.com/people/montulli/
>        Netscape Communications Corp.
> 

Added to the HTML v3 spec?  Netscape claims their extensions *are* the
HTML v3 spec.

 "Netscape Navigator 1.1's new capabilities include:

 Advanced layout capabilities using HTML 3.0 tables and graphical
 backdrops. These capabilities allow more sophisticated page presentation,
 including multiple text columns and flexible image placement." [1]

Netscape's table markups do not conform to the HTML v3 DTD.  Nowhere in
the DTD does it indicate that the border attribute may take a value for
thickness, or anything else, for example.  There are numerous other
attributes that are nowhere to be found in the HTML 3.0 DTD, not to
mention the "notorious" <center> and <font> tags.

 "Netscape Navigator's new HTML tags that enable features like tables and
 background images are based upon the HTML 3.0 proposal. Netscape
 Communications Corporation is an active participant in all Web-related
 standard bodies and is a charter Full Member of the W3 Consortium. Please
 read our discussion of Netscape's commitment to open standards, if you're
 interested in more information." [2]

Open standards must be documented, so that others may implement them
correctly.  As a member of the W3 Consortium, Netscape must know that HTML
is documented using the SGML Document Type Definition.  Where is the DTD
for the Netscape 1.1N tags?

I refer you to "The Myth of Netscape and HTML 3.0" [3] for the rest of
this line of discussion, and some more pointers to other points of view.

[1] http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease16.html
[2] http://home.netscape.com/home/demo/1.1b1/index.html
[3] http://www.iaf.nl/~abigail/HTML/Myth/myth.html
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