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Re: AJAX vs. Xforms

From: Vincent Berger <vincent.berger@afp.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:07:53 +0100
To: Elliotte Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
Message-Id: <1130756874.29596.203.camel@genepi>
Le lundi 31 octobre 2005 à 02:14 -0500, Elliotte Harold a écrit :

> Mark Birbeck wrote:
> >  
> > Hi Rafael,
> >  
> > I think the big difference with the Ajax 'community' is that they 
> > produce lots of examples, run Wikis that explain things, and so on. I 
> > don't believe XForms is that difficult, but I think new users do need 
> > orienting, yet the XForms 'community' has been pretty bad at providing 
> > the support needed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is one of 
> > the worst 'communities' I have seen--take a look at things like SVG 
> > and Python and you'll see primers, samples, Wikis, and all sorts.
> >  
> Perhaps true but mostly irrelevant. There's only one difference that 
> matters: AJAX works in today's browsers and XForms doesn't. Game. Set. 
> Match.

May be, your tennis is better than your google search for "xforms
plugins"  :-)
Are you serious ?

> If and when XForms works in the browsers, then XForms development will 
> become practical and people will start using it. This isn't a binary 
> proposition. The more browsers XForms works in, and the better it works, 
> the more XForms will be used. I'm not sure whether it will be a linear 
> takeup or more of a hockey stick curve; but I do believe it will happen 
> eventually. It just isn't happening very fast now.
> Bad and nonexistent implementations don't just account for the limited 
> use of XForms in the real world. They account for the paucity of 
> documentation and examples. I've considered writing about XForms but 
> I've given up because the implementations are too poor to make it 
> worthwhile. When I've talked about XForms at conferences, the demos I've 
> been able to do have been so flaky and unreliable that they've convinced 
> everyone to wait for next year.

I saw you're a very busy man, so send me a mail next year, I will help
you prepare your demos.
Except if you're always working alone.


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